EPIC End Rewards

[Solmage]

It's time to finally fix how end rewards work Turbine.

With the change to renown as yet another system that looks at quest level the end rewards need to properly reflect the level of the quest on the difficulty you ran it on.

Epic end rewards truly need to be EPIC.

* In addition to properly scaling the rewards based upon difficulty the end reward lists should include a large chance at one of the epic scrolls that drop in that quest. The DQ raid should have all DQ scrolls on the list as a chance.

*Additionally all epic quests should have a completion counter associated with them. Upon 20 completions the end reward list should be populated only with epic scrolls, epic shards, and epic seals that can be pulled from chests or dropped from mobs in that quest. Epic raids should work the same way with the additional comment that completing a raid on epic does not advance your normal raid completion counter and upon 10/30/50... completions you get the normal 20 raid completions list.

/signed

Yes, please, pretty much what we have all been saying in some form or another. Details need to be addressed but whatever, let's do this:

- Reward for 20th completions are a must-have, really. This is a huge turn off, since you sometimes feel that after 100 runs you are still not any closer to completing the one item you really wanted.

- Scrolls: PLEASE Add a message to [Loot]: with the information of who picked up which scroll. The current mechanic alone ruined grouping for epics due to scroll thieves.

- I love the idea of getting a couple of the scrolls as a quests' end reward. I really do.

[BDS]

This is something we're talking about internally actually. We like the idea too.

Thank you, please keep us updated on any information about this. The epic grind as it is now can be pretty severe unless you run with a static group that are willing to pass each other things. Like a lot of the ideas the OP presented and I hope you consider implements some of them.

[Pyromaniac]

My favorite epic end reward from Partycrashers was a +1 rapier.

[sephiroth1084]

I'm not a huge fan of epic scrolls being the things on end rewards... It seems like it should be seals on normal epic quests and shards on epic raids and capstone quets.

They should just up the scroll rate to be a little more reasonable in problem areas like the desert (and DQ2 drops)

Scroll drop rates should definitely be increased. The current figures of around 1 in 200 or more is ludicrously low.

[Pyromaniac]

I would like to see an option of shards/scrolls/seals on everything. Some shards are almost as bad as scrolls to get.

[wemery73]

This is something we're talking about internally actually. We like the idea too.

/signed and stamped

[Samadhi]

This is something we're talking about internally actually. We like the idea too.

Please include the red dragon helm in said talks.

[sirgog]

Really like the OP's idea.

A possible solution to the '20th Epic run is 20th completion' dilemma is to have a separate end reward giver for the Epic version, or alternately, it could be handled through collectibles or other tokens that we turn in 20 of to get a reward list.

IMO the list for a 20th Epic raid completion should always contain the following:

1 random BTC +4 tome
1 random BTA +3 tome
1 random *complete* Epic item that you could have got a piece of in that raid
1 random Augment Crystal
2 random Shards that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Seals that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Scrolls that could have dropped in that raid
A +5000 or +10000 renown token

[Monkey_Archer]

/signed

I would definitely like to see scrolls, seals and shards as quest specific end rewards either as a random chance per list, or after a certain # of completions.

Quests that dont drops shards, like sentinels sides/von1-4 could have a list of seals/scrolls only, while the end quests like von 6, and tides turn could have a list of shards, but no seals/scrolls. OOB, Chains, Wizking and DQ2 could have a chance to drop scrolls, seals and shards for items specific to the quest.

ADQ1, IMO, should be explorer items only. By far the hardest shards to find in the desert are for explorer items and i think the drop rate should be increased for this quest specifically, since you cant enter the explorer area on epic difficulty.

[Celestialbeast]

Really like the OP's idea.

A possible solution to the '20th Epic run is 20th completion' dilemma is to have a separate end reward giver for the Epic version, or alternately, it could be handled through collectibles or other tokens that we turn in 20 of to get a reward list.

IMO the list for a 20th Epic raid completion should always contain the following:

1 random BTC +4 tome
1 random BTA +3 tome
1 random *complete* Epic item that you could have got a piece of in that raid
1 random Augment Crystal
2 random Shards that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Seals that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Scrolls that could have dropped in that raid
A +5000 or +10000 renown token

+1 After I'm off Rep timer. I may not have run epics yet but I am making an Epic Ready Barbarian (Assuming I"m good enough) to complete his level 20 items.

And after reading all the Horror stories about Epic this would be absolutely perfect to help ease my.... uneasiness.

PS I know my Rep won't hit for much but hey, only trolls are counting how hard it hits, right?

[thisgamesull]

/Signed

[Ollathir]

I believe since running Epic quests are locked for all but level 20, the mechanics should be in place to offer more level appropriate rewards.
It could be random generated loot end rewards ML20, or something special drops, not necessarily +3 and +4 tomes or scroll,shard or seal or even the named loot item,(this could be reserved for a 20/40/60 run reward), but posibly a Flawless Siberys Dragonshard or Large Eberron Dragonshard Fragments or something of the like, (really any addition should be welcome).

Another way of improving the loot drop could be to add a different type of collectable token,(prefferably stackable fitting in ingred bag), to all Epic end chests that can be traded with the quest giver for an exceptional Epic based reward, collect or turn in 20 for your pick of end reward. (Sort of like the Reavers Refuge set-up only not hidden.) Complications I see there would be the tokens would have to be Quest specific, as with IQ and they can take up quite a bit of space. Or not. They could be identical to the Epic dungeon tokens, so long as you collect 20, your can turn them into quest giver or someone for your pick of something.

So if it doesn't advance your normal completion timer on the raids, does this mean you'd have an epic timer and a normal timer. IE, I can go run DQ elite, then reform and hit it on Epic?

I think thats how it should work. Currently Epic raid timers are shorter than Normal raid timers, so the mechanics are there to seperate the two instances, they just need to be independent or treated as different quests to make this a posibility.

[Fafnir]

I personally don't need to see a whole epic item, but I'd sure like a healthy, long list of shards/seals/items to choose from.

[FaSo]

Really like the OP's idea.

A possible solution to the '20th Epic run is 20th completion' dilemma is to have a separate end reward giver for the Epic version, or alternately, it could be handled through collectibles or other tokens that we turn in 20 of to get a reward list.

IMO the list for a 20th Epic raid completion should always contain the following:

1 random BTC +4 tome
1 random BTA +3 tome
1 random *complete* Epic item that you could have got a piece of in that raid
1 random Augment Crystal
2 random Shards that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Seals that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Scrolls that could have dropped in that raid
A +5000 or +10000 renown token

+1
i love this idea, would make it a heck of alot easyer to get epic items

[Spisey]

+1 Sir.

That would be an exact list that would keep me running epics.

[sirgog]

+1
i love this idea, would make it a heck of alot easyer to get epic items

IMO it wouldn't be much easier, but you would know that every run, you are making progress.

Presently most Epic runs you make no progress toward making your particular Epic item, except for tokens (and the items you would bother spending tokens to upgrade are all good enough to warrant using without the token upgrades, most of which are pretty minor.).

[butlerfamilywa]

Really like the OP's idea.

A possible solution to the '20th Epic run is 20th completion' dilemma is to have a separate end reward giver for the Epic version, or alternately, it could be handled through collectibles or other tokens that we turn in 20 of to get a reward list.

IMO the list for a 20th Epic raid completion should always contain the following:

1 random BTC +4 tome
1 random BTA +3 tome
1 random *complete* Epic item that you could have got a piece of in that raid
1 random Augment Crystal
2 random Shards that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Seals that could have dropped in that raid
2 random Scrolls that could have dropped in that raid
A +5000 or +10000 renown token

1) Agreed.
2) BTC +3 Tome, Agreed ~ It is THAT character that completes the 20 runs after all.
3) NEVER give a random COMPLETE Epic Item.. sorry, but that takes away the point of running Epics.
4) Pointless.
5) Agreed.
6) Agreed.
7) Not Signed. Scrolls are way too easy to get at this point anyways.
8) 5,000?? 10,000??? are you serious? 2,000 or 3,000 I could MAYBE see... (You're not supposted to be Guild Level 100 over night)

Yes, I run Epics often, (5 level 20's currently that I keep on timers). Thats 5 bigtops, Party Crashers, Snitches, BOB, OOB, ect, DAILY...

5x bigtops = 30 mins or less.
5x Party Crashers = 1hrs time
5x Snitches = 1 Hrs time (at most)
5x BoB = 30 Mins or less.
5x OoB = 1hr or so...

Yes, I'm a Power Gamer, No I don't believe that I play too much

However I do believe that the Epic Content is the only grind we have left. I can understand House P's items being as crappy as they are.. considering the lack of investment you have to put in to get the items. What is it, 9 items?

Anyways.. Like I was saying, most of that I agree with, because it would make Epic Item Grinding a hell of a lot easier.. but there are a few points that were listed I don't agree with. Renowned in the amount of 5k, 10k? No.

[kaelis]

This is something we're talking about internally actually. We like the idea too.

Do it T.



C'mon.


Edit; post above me.

Try true reincarnating. It's a grind but its kinda fun

[twizznach]

/signed

[Desteria]

It's time to finally fix how end rewards work Turbine.

With the change to renown as yet another system that looks at quest level the end rewards need to properly reflect the level of the quest on the difficulty you ran it on.

Epic end rewards truly need to be EPIC.

* In addition to properly scaling the rewards based upon difficulty the end reward lists should include a large chance at one of the epic scrolls that drop in that quest. The DQ raid should have all DQ scrolls on the list as a chance.

*Additionally all epic quests should have a completion counter associated with them. Upon 20 completions the end reward list should be populated only with epic scrolls, epic shards, and epic seals that can be pulled from chests or dropped from mobs in that quest. Epic raids should work the same way with the additional comment that completing a raid on epic does not advance your normal raid completion counter and upon 10/30/50... completions you get the normal 20 raid completions list.

love the idea.

Side note wold really liek to see renown back on the end reward list for epics.