Dwarf Rogue

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 03:03 PM

Did search for anything like this without luck, if it exists please post a link to the existing thread (:

I thought of making a Dwarf (pure) rogue and i wanted to know if it could still be an awesome rogue and maybe even gain benefits from the Dwarf class (cause dwarfs are AWESOME!)
Thought of being a mix of assasination and mech monkey (mostly mech for group benefits)
Pure is optional, but would love to go so many rogue levels as possible
Any suggestions?

Thought of 14STR,16DEX,16CON,14INT,8WIS,6CHA stats

EDIT:
Note to GhoulsTouch (and everyone else), i dont have 32 build and i cant afford tomes either so im low on resource

**markusthelion** · 07-22-2010, 03:10 PM

I don't have an assasin but I do have a Dwarf acrobat (q-staffs, traps, Umd, 65+AC) 13rog/6mo/1ftr. He's a great utility build and very survivable.

+1 for doing it Dorf style!

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 03:17 PM

Dorf ftw =D

But acrobat doesnt sound bad either, but i also thought of maybe going 2 lvls of ranger to get both Dex enhancement, no UMD on some awesome wands and martial weapons (which unlocks Daxe)

**khaldan** · 07-22-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sholoa

Dorf ftw =D

But acrobat doesnt sound bad either, but i also thought of maybe going 2 lvls of ranger to get both Dex enhancement, no UMD on some awesome wands and martial weapons (which unlocks Daxe)

Rogue and Ranger dexterity are mutually exclusive, you can't have both. 13/6/1 rogue/monk/fighter would get you everything but wands, which you can just UMD. 28 is almost impossible to NOT get at 20, and fairly easy to hit at level 10 or so.

EDIT: going through your stats, I'd bring int down to 12 and cha up to 8, and possibly dex to 15 and cha to 9 if you have a +2 dex tome.

**GhoulsTouch** · 07-22-2010, 03:52 PM

Here is one that you can either use Dwarven Axe and Shield or Great Axe with. It isn't pure though. If you dont want the chance to draw unwanted aggro you can drop the two handed feats for something else and just do the axe sheild thing. BTW you can't take both ranger and rogue dex enhancements.

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Undercover Brother
Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 320
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    28
Bluff                 1                     9
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy             5                    26
Disable Device        7                    29
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  3                    32
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  7                    31
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         3                    32
Open Lock             3                    24
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     6
Search                7                    30
Spot                  3                    25
Swim                  3                    11
Tumble                3                    18
Use Magic Device      5                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Spot I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

**twix** · 07-22-2010, 04:02 PM

I made a dwarf rogue assasin build.I call him The Hitman

He's geared towards doing a lot of dps and is str based.Hes not pure class though.He's 18 rogue 2 fighter. Right now without any raid loot or crafted gear hes looking at a 32 str and over 400 hp. i think his dd and search and **** is hovering at 50 with a +13 item.

He's also got a 36 umd which will be a 41 when im done with him.Very fun character to play.

I started him:
18 str
15 dex
14 con
12 int
6 cha

gotta love the ugly dwarves
8 wis

his reflex for evasion i think is around a 36 right now.He has all the GTW feats ,think two toughness feats,umd focus,power attack,and oversized TWF.Up untill about lvl ten this build can be a front line mellee.Once you hit past level ten its time to put a little finesse into it and start practicing agro managment.Trust me youll draw a lot of agro

As im new to rogues ,this being my first one, im still working on my agro management :P Overall im very satisfied with this build and would recomend a dwarf rogue to anyone

And if the name The Hitman is already taken on a different build, as i dont read builds ever, you can call him whatever makes you happy :O

* edit just seen the build obove mine.Do not use a sheild or great axe with my build please !! Either duel weilding dwarven axes or kopesh and by shroud time craft a radience rapier and a min 2 da or khopesh ty

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by khaldan

Rogue and Ranger dexterity are mutually exclusive, you can't have both. 13/6/1 rogue/monk/fighter would get you everything but wands, which you can just UMD. 28 is almost impossible to NOT get at 20, and fairly easy to hit at level 10 or so.

EDIT: going through your stats, I'd bring int down to 12 and cha up to 8, and possibly dex to 15 and cha to 9 if you have a +2 dex tome.

Thanks for the reply! (:

If im right then the monk would be for Ninja Spy?
Oh and remember that taking 1 from dex will give 2 points so if i bring cha to 9 then ill have 1 point to spend, throw it in cha for 10? Also is cha used for anything else than skills (UMD etc.)

EDIT:
Note to GhoulsTouch (and everyone else), i dont have 32 build and i cant afford tomes either so im low on resource

**GhoulsTouch** · 07-22-2010, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sholoa

Thanks for the reply! (:

If im right then the monk would be for Ninja Spy?
Oh and remember that taking 1 from dex will give 2 points so if i bring cha to 9 then ill have 1 point to spend, throw it in cha for 10? Also is cha used for anything else than skills (UMD etc.)

It's used for skills that manage aggro i.e. bluff, intimidate, diplomacy.

**GhoulsTouch** · 07-22-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by twix

his refex is 36

How are you getting a reflex of 36?
Post your character link here.

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 04:34 PM

BTW im mixing my char right now with the char planner, will link it as soon as im done and please tell me what you guys think about it

**Belodred** · 07-22-2010, 04:41 PM

Love dwarf rogues, but to utilize what dwarfs are good at, you should go str based. I have a 13 rogue 6 rng 1 barb, and I love him to bits. Really versatile, and nice dmg. Also stay staying , pure to get the capstone is not bad. Take excotic dwarfen axe feat and stay str based, and you should have a fun guy to play.

**GhoulsTouch** · 07-22-2010, 05:07 PM

Without tomes or 32 points, you should rather go THF...maybe the cleave,great cleave,improved feint route with bluff and diplomacy maxxed out. But since people are all hard up on going TWF here you go. You will have to use battle axes 1d8 (X 3 /20). You see that your chance to hit is dramatically hindered. But if you want to go 28 point TWF Dwarven rogue here is one way. Cheat death is in there because the new capstone isnt updated.

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Level 20 Chaotic Good Dwarf Male
(20 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 262
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             13                    18
Dexterity            17                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    33
Bluff                -2                     6
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy             2                    23
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle               -2                     0
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  7                    38
Intimidate           -2                     0
Jump                  4                    28
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    38
Open Lock             7                    30
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     4
Search                6                    29
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  1                     6
Tumble                4                     8
Use Magic Device      2                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Cheat Death
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 05:30 PM

Looks nice, mixed some myself and this is my result:

Code:

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 188
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 17
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    10
Bluff                -1                    14
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy            -1                    20
Disable Device        4                    24
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  7                    39
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                    10
Listen                3                     5
Move Silently         7                    39
Open Lock             7                    16
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                4                    23
Spot                  3                    16
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Stealthy
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Search I

Tell me what you think about it (hope its good)
Theres alot i think that could be modified especially skills and maybe the stats a little, but overall i like it

EDIT: ok maybe i should atleast have gone 12 int and 6 cha

**GhoulsTouch** · 07-22-2010, 06:00 PM

nm-Looks good, stealthy might be over kill though UMD would be more useful
One drawback...you have low hit points for a dwarf
exchanging luck of heroes for toughness would help.

**Sholoa** · 07-22-2010, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by GhoulsTouch

nm-Looks good, stealthy might be over kill though UMD would be more useful
One drawback...you have low hit points for a dwarf
exchanging luck of heroes for toughness would help.

Yes i was a little unsure about that feat and i will change it to toughness
Thanks for the help dude

Your avatar kobold looks upset, maybe a +1 will cheer him up (:

**Kinesthetic** · 07-25-2010, 09:44 PM

Ghoul is delusional, don't go THF.

**Mekkah** · 07-25-2010, 11:05 PM

This one is absolute MONEY...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=262025

Just hit level 6. He's the baddest mofo low down around this town...

**Kinesthetic** · 07-26-2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Mekkah

This one is absolute MONEY...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=262025

Just hit level 6. He's the baddest mofo low down around this town...

Everyone is a bad ass mofo at level 6.

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