halfling warchanter

[NXPlasmid]

I have a lvl17 28pt halfling spellsinger bard that I am going to GR to a 32pt build warchanter. Melee capability won't be stellar but with the full cunning and guile lines it should be acceptable. Since he'll be going directly to 17 the feat and enhancement selection order aren't critical. Am I missing any critical feats or enhancement lines? Also, do I need concentration?

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Tsirio 
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 594 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                 0                     5
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy             4                    23
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                    24
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     5
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                    26
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         2                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               4                    24
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      4                    24

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV

[unbongwah]

Also, do I need concentration?

I think so: remember that you make Concentration checks when using scrolls as well as casting spells. Last thing you need when you're trying to pop off a Heal scroll is some monster interrupting you.

[NXPlasmid]

I think so: remember that you make Concentration checks when using scrolls as well as casting spells. Last thing you need when you're trying to pop off a Heal scroll is some monster interrupting you.

Ok, a little shuffling and a +2 int tome gets me maxed concentration

[BoBoDaClown]

I have a lvl17 28pt halfling spellsinger bard that I am going to GR to a 32pt build warchanter. Melee capability won't be stellar but with the full cunning and guile lines it should be acceptable. Since he'll be going directly to 17 the feat and enhancement selection order aren't critical. Am I missing any critical feats or enhancement lines? Also, do I need concentration?

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Tsirio 
Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 594 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 16
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                 0                     5
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy             4                    23
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                    24
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  2                     5
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                    26
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         2                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               4                    24
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      4                    24

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music II


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV

Your melee should be fairly strong for a pure bard.

[eulogy098]

I have a Halfling Warchanter that i muck around with, i play with this build-

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Level 20 True Neutral Halfling Male
(2 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 16 Bard) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 500 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 21
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             12                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    26
Bluff                 1                     7
Concentration         4                    26
Diplomacy             1                     4
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                5                    26
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  3                     9
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  7                    14
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                  26
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                7                     9
Use Magic Device      5                    26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Bard)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Bard)


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Bard)


Level 17 (Bard)


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Bard)


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) II
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Reflex) II
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III

and am very much enjoying it. if it were 34 point ide do 16,16,16,8,8,10. (the spells and enhancements are not exact, i just tossed that together real quick for a friend and than saw your post so thought i'de contribute)


I think it's very important for just about every character to get a +2int tome at level 7. those are skill points that are completely lost if you dont eat one at 7. a +1 dex tome is required too and the rest are fluff



***edit**** i missread your post, i saw your GR as a TR so my build may not be viable for you, sorry about that

[ccrom]

With the skill points, think you put way too many in jump. I think I only put like 10 into my pure bard and at level 20 I normally end up with well over 40 with buffs and items. 40 is the cap Im pretty sure so it will all be wasted.

[Thelmallen]

I think so: remember that you make Concentration checks when using scrolls as well as casting spells. Last thing you need when you're trying to pop off a Heal scroll is some monster interrupting you.

I agree. I dumped concentration on my warchanter in favor of intimidate (have 2 fighter levels) and am considering LRing simply to redistribute skill points to get my concentration higher. It really is a pain to try to scroll-heal and get interrupted all the time.

[NXPlasmid]

here is a slightly different enhancment set up, suggested by Aranticus:

this is how i'd do the enhancements

Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II

[Aliadra]

here is a slightly different enhancment set up, suggested by Aranticus:

this is how i'd do the enhancements

Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion II
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II

Good, but not entirely optimal.

Drop Bard Cha 1 and 2, and also Lingering Song 4.

Instead grab Wand Mastery 3, Musical Prodigy Capstone, Halfling Fort 1, Energy of Music 1 (or another halfling save enhancement, this is filler).

Net gain: 60% better heal scroll usage, 1 more fort, 20 extra SP, 2 more spell penetration for Otto's Irresistable Dance, 2 more DC if you ever cast a mass suggestion on a pack of mobs.

Net loss: None. Capstone gives you both the Cha you lost, and the Extra song duration you lost.