Fighter: Epic SoS vs. LitII Khopesh u5

[Goldeneye]

Does anyone have the u5 numbers comparing Epic Sword of Shadows to TWF Khopesh Greensteels?

I'm mainly interested in terms of 20th Level Warforged Fighter.

I tried the dps calc spreadsheet, however I'm interested in how it compares in u5

[Goldeneye]

any ideas?

[Boromirs]

MIn2's by far. Not an indepth calculation but I kill a lot faster with the min2's..again no recording of damage or calc just feel.

BTW, consider going 18/2 rogue on the warforged, that I HAVE done calcultions on and the damage difference due to losing the capstone post-U5 hovers around 5-6% loss. Then again you may want that extra 5-6% DPS, to me evasion and jacked up UMD is way more worth it.

[Bryan4Days]

I was under the impression that epic sos floored min 2's

[Goldeneye]

so I played w/ the dps spreadsheet/calc - here's what I go, does this look right?
Sword of Shadow vs. GS Khopesh - 20th Level WF Fighter

..of course, SoS lessens even more vs. fort and DR.

This is the mod9 calc... but I plugged in the u5 sos stats...
though this isn't taking into account u5 combat changes

[Absolute-Omniscience]

THF fighter with Esos > twf fighter with whatever.

[Boromirs]

THF fighter with Esos > twf fighter with whatever.

if it does, then it makes no sense to go TWF, since with the glancing blow changes with shield and board + bastardsword/daxe you can get the benefits of two weapon styles and do higher DPS by going THF+eSoS(which really isnt too hard to get, especially in respect to getting 2 min2s.)... oh well TWF really got hit hard if this is the case.

[Goldeneye]

THF fighter with Esos > twf fighter with whatever.

Take a look at that spreadsheet/link I posted. Tell me what I did wrong... cause eSoS comes in second place on my spreadsheet

[Consumer]

Take a look at that spreadsheet/link I posted. Tell me what I did wrong... cause eSoS comes in second place on my spreadsheet

Try the U5 calc not the mod 9 calc lol.

Epic SoS - 564

Min II khops - 521

Lit II Khops - 555

Toons using Epic Redscale, Shintao, Ravager and Epic Bloodstone.

Now another problem with THF is that without epic SoS it sucks balls compared to TWF.

[Goldeneye]

Epic SoS - 564

Min II khops - 521

Lit II Khops - 555

Isn't that a little embarrassing, that what is supposed to be the most epic weapon in the game comes slightly ahead of weapons we could make 2 years ago in mod6.

Now remember: the higher the DR / Fortification, the more ground Epic SoS looses compared to Greensteel.

btw: could you link me the u5 calc?

[Goldeneye]

My real question is:

I have a 20th level pure WF fighter.

1. I have the Shard, Scroll, and Seal of the Epic Sword of Shadows.
2. I have plenty of GS Ingredients

Should I spec Khopesh or Greatsword?

[Goldeneye]

0% Fort, WF Fighter. Why is SoS coming in 2nd place against greensteel?

471.14 vs. 496.52

could someone check my numbers?

[Asketes]

My real question is:

I have a 20th level pure WF fighter.

1. I have the Shard, Scroll, and Seal of the Epic Sword of Shadows.
2. I have plenty of GS Ingredients
3. Give them to Perma!

Should I spec Khopesh or Greatsword?

fixed you

[Krag]

0% Fort, WF Fighter. Why is SoS coming in 2nd place against greensteel?

471.14 vs. 496.52

could someone check my numbers?

Please, someone prove this numbers wrong

[maddmatt70]

edited.

[Goldeneye]

Thanks perma.

Please, someone prove this numbers wrong

Ha ha, I second that. It just doesn't seem right.
Someone who's a number cruncher, please prove me wrong.

[LookingForABentoBox]

Try the U5 calc not the mod 9 calc lol.

Epic SoS - 564

Min II khops - 521

Lit II Khops - 555

Toons using Epic Redscale, Shintao, Ravager and Epic Bloodstone.

Now another problem with THF is that without epic SoS it sucks balls compared to TWF.

Is that with or without glancing blows?

[Goldeneye]

u5, it's probably twitching - so most likely without glancing.
Not that fighters get much glancing blows as is.

I know my dps chart is with glancing blows... though I just used the pre-set for mod9 attack speed, so I don't know if it accounts for twitching.

How are you guys generating numbers for u5?

[Gobbothegreen]

Please, someone prove this numbers wrong

Well os, i tried with the U5 calc got Lit 2 kopeshes dps too: 534.98
And Esos was: 520.72

So Twf Greensteel weapons are better dps than Thf even with esos after this update.

sorry os.

[Emili]

Isn't that a little embarrassing, that what is supposed to be the most epic weapon in the game comes slightly ahead of weapons we could make 2 years ago in mod6.

Now remember: the higher the DR / Fortification, the more ground Epic SoS looses compared to Greensteel.

btw: could you link me the u5 calc?

Considering twf is a deeper plunge in both stats and feat for all but rangers it does make sense however the silly thing is that a level 8 weapon upgraded to epic is better than the level 10 weapons upgraded to epic ... chaos blades, and desert weapons such should be more significant than what they are currently... not that out of such a quest as dragon which people may farm more easily. Not that epid DQ is much harder than dragon but still is more effort. As are the desert drops for scrolls etc...

Still I take view that gtwf chain should be more significant than thf chain (a made up turbine feat)... twf on a fighter per-say requires thinning out stats to place into dex and the comparable oversized feat on rangers for tempest... THF takes little in build while a twf takes more planning and balancing to procure.

The issue with shroud crafted is not any difference when one thinks about it ... one should be able to compare lighting II Greataxe to lightning II khopesh and min II to min II when dealing with build comparisons ... fact that epic weapons are under powered is a different issue - they should make all epic weapons much more worth while the eSoS is inly one with the chaos blades close but still very build dependent and situational.