18/2 Cleric/Monk TWF Rapiers

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 08:54 AM

EDIT: Latest version of my build (which is now two builds) at post #15 in this thread. http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=15

So I have been thinking about making a solo cleric who can party heal for some time and this is what I ended up with. After a lot of tinkering with fighters, paladins and barbs I gave up (because they all turned out boring) and decided to go some kind of high AC monk splash with TWF. My first problem was deciding wether or not to be centered. I tried to make a longsword wielding elf with whirling steel strike to have him centered, but then he would have been STR based. And trying to balance AC-damage-attack-TWFprereqs gave me a headache so I threw centered out the window and went rapiers and weapon finesse.

So now to a couple of questions:

Would the LS route have been better? Are the rank 1 stances and ki-attacks really worth it?

How does the feats look? Particularly the metamagic feats. I haven't gotten a cleric very far tbh so I don't know what I'll really need in that department. Will I miss maximize? Extend? I'm picking up the RS PrE so emp. healing needs to stay.

Any pointers or comments are welcome!

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Rikieum Aers
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 1145 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 12
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    18
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         5                    24
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  6                     7
Listen                3                     7
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  6                    10
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS

**blitzschlag** · 07-19-2010, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rikien

So I have been thinking about making a solo cleric who can party heal for some time and this is what I ended up with. After a lot of tinkering with fighters, paladins and barbs I gave up (because they all turned out boring) and decided to go some kind of high AC monk splash with TWF. My first problem was deciding wether or not to be centered. I tried to make a longsword wielding elf with whirling steel strike to have him centered, but then he would have been STR based. And trying to balance AC-damage-attack-TWFprereqs gave me a headache so I threw centered out the window and went rapiers and weapon finesse.

So now to a couple of questions:

Would the LS route have been better? Are the rank 1 stances and ki-attacks really worth it?

How does the feats look? Particularly the metamagic feats. I haven't gotten a cleric very far tbh so I don't know what I'll really need in that department. Will I miss maximize? Extend? I'm picking up the RS PrE so emp. healing needs to stay.

Any pointers or comments are welcome!

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Rikieum Aers
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Drow Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 1145 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 12
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               16                    21
Charisma             10                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    18
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         5                    24
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                  3                     5
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  6                     7
Listen                3                     7
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  6                    10
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Cleric)


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS

why drow? you don't use any of the drow's pre raised stats (its only use)...

you might wanna check this out (best read the whole thread)
http://community.codemasters.com/for...ma-cleric.html

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 09:03 AM

I use the CHA for turns (DV), the INT for skills and I obviously use the DEX. Since I don't have 32p builds (which your link uses) I figured drow was the best choice, since drow also has +attack and +damage bonus enhancements for rapiers.

**Tsuarok** · 07-19-2010, 09:20 AM

I play drow because I like the way they look, but even with 28 pts, human might be better for this build. Also, since there is no 3rd tier cleric PrE, you might want to consider 3 monk... FoL finishers and curse of healing go a long way for a solo character. Plus the first monk healing amp, and animal path.

Or you could try this:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=164323

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 09:29 AM

Since I'm not centered I have no use for finishers. I thought of going with one fighter level for the extra feat, so I can grab another metamagic feat somewhere. And going human nets me too few ability points. That would look like this: 14STR, 15DEX, 12CON, 8INT, 16WIS, 8CHA. Or possibly 12STR, 16DEX, 12CON, 8INT, 16WIS, 8CHA. But it feels so strained on the points. Plus I still won't get the rapier bonuses from enhancements. :[

Edit: Yeah I've seen that build, and he too uses a 32p build. Also I don't care about traps. So no rogue levels here. (already got my evasion anyway

)

**unbongwah** · 07-19-2010, 09:53 AM

My two cents: your build has too many melee feats to be a good offensive caster and too low physical stats to be a good melee fighter. If your spells are primarily for healing & buffing, then you don't need so much base WIS and can put more points into STR, DEX, and/or CON. If you want to be an offensive caster, then I would drop a couple of melee feats to take more metamagics: at least Empower and/or Maximize, probably Heighten as well.

Also, I wouldn't bother with Finesse unless you're truly going with a high-DEX build. At a glance, your DEX will only be a few points higher than your STR once you're fully tricked out with items & buffs. Hardly worth wasting a feat, IMHO. Although if you really want a high-AC build, you should consider working in Combat Expertise, too.

**Syntax42** · 07-19-2010, 10:00 AM

Drow is still a poor choice. Dex is nice, but Int and Cha won't give you much benefit at end-game. You don't need a lot of skill points. Most of the level 20 content consists of devils and demons, not undead. The +4 to damage with rapiers and short swords is not worth what you could get by choosing another race.

Halfling would be good for the sneak attack damage, but you won't get it often when soloing unless you find a way to stun mobs. Human would be good for the extra incoming healing. See the solar phoenix build for an example of what high incoming healing can do with fists of light.

Consider wielding kamas instead, for the centered bonus. You will get more AC and be able to use monk strikes for added DPS. If you don't like the crit range on kamas, go 6 monk and get ninja spy so you can use short swords.

**AyumiAmakusa** · 07-19-2010, 10:05 AM

Stats.....are....gah....all...over...the place.....Must resist urge.....to.....scream.....GUUUUARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!! !!!!!!!!

In all seriousness, you'll be a half-way caster and DPS. If you don't mind not min/maxing that's fine. If you do mind, then choose 1 side and stick to it. Either TWF or Caster based.

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by unbongwah

My two cents: your build has too many melee feats to be a good offensive caster and too low physical stats to be a good melee fighter. If your spells are primarily for healing & buffing, then you don't need so much base WIS and can put more points into STR, DEX, and/or CON. If you want to be an offensive caster, then I would drop a couple of melee feats to take more metamagics: at least Empower and/or Maximize, probably Heighten as well.

Also, I wouldn't bother with Finesse unless you're truly going with a high-DEX build. At a glance, your DEX will only be a few points higher than your STR once you're fully tricked out with items & buffs. Hardly worth wasting a feat, IMHO. Although if you really want a high-AC build, you should consider working in Combat Expertise, too.

Well that would fit with my other option then. I'd in that case go elf, go 16STR, 16DEX, 12CON, 8INT, 14WIS, 8CHA and drop weapon finesse and pick up whirling steel strike and go longswords and be centered. Probably go one level fighter also for another feat. But lower WIS means lower AC...

It's worth noting that I'm not going for extremely high DPS here, I'm aiming more for survivability/solo-capability, but if I group I'd want to be able to heal quite well.

**redraider** · 07-19-2010, 10:19 AM

Wow. Someone who wants it all? Yes, yes you can do it!

Don't let the min/max goons get you down. The evasion/semi-melee/battle healer is a great toon. Loads of fun to level and play.

It does take a bit of work to get the reflex save up and you will never do major DPS, but with wounders and vorpals you will do alright.

You will have plenty of mana to main heal in any quest. My Synderella (see MYDDO if you want to) is a 18/2 ClerMonk and a blast, althoguh he is heal first, melee second in grp.

If you really want to solo, you might look at the option of 12/6/2 Clr/Ftr/Mnk as Radiant II/Kesai I is a really potent combination or the 12/6/2 Clr/Rgr/Mnk. It is a bit hard to get in grps and is more equipment intensive (check out Yawanta on myDDO for the ftr version and Supahstar for the Rgr version). It is tougher to get end game grps with these builds, but if you're in a good guild, they will soon recognize the value these builds bring to any raid.

**Scalion** · 07-19-2010, 10:21 AM

I don't think you can make this character successful without dropping your wisdom and picking up more melee stats. You say you want to be able to heal, not cast offensively, so you don't need a high DC. Spell point bonuses aren't that high from stats.

Bladebarrier is the most important offensive spell and it will still be viable regardless of your wisdom for any mob without evasion. It will still do half damage on a successful reflex save.

**Kawabonga** · 07-19-2010, 10:44 AM

You might want to take a look at this : http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1935280

Quite cool to play, well balanced, good DPS, great solo toon... It has it all!

Bonus : Valiance already did all the work for you!

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Kawabonga

You might want to take a look at this : http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=1935280

Quite cool to play, well balanced, good DPS, great solo toon... It has it all!

Bonus : Valiance already did all the work for you!

Yes, I've seen that, he has thought kind of the same way I did. But as I've said, (don't you guys read all the posts in the thread? ;P) I don't want the rogue level, and I don't have 32p builds. He seems to get along just fine with 12STR, 16DEX and 17WIS... so I don't see why my numbers wouldn't work..

I still wonder though, is the DEX-rapier-finesse route more desirable, or the STR-longsword-centered route?

**unbongwah** · 07-19-2010, 12:08 PM

That build takes more metamagics for better offensive casting, uses kamas so she stays centered and can use stances, and is pretty heavily geared out with items & tomes. I'm also surprised to see it start with low CON and no Toughness; I definitely wouldn't recommend that unless you've already got the gear you need to boost your HPs.

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 01:55 PM

Alright, so I've now splitted it into two builds, one angeled towards DEX and one angeled towards WIS. Also included the enhancements this time (although they are quite irrelevant, since the builder doesn't have the PrE). Now I should be able to have decent AC and saves for soloing among other things, and should also be able to heal quite well in groups.

DEX build:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(1 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 259
Spell Points: 1108 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            18                    25
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               14                    17
Charisma             10                    12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               8                    23
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         5                    25
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  2                     3
Hide                  4                     7
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                     6
Listen                2                     5
Move Silently         4                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  5                     8
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                5                     8
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III

WIS build:

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1
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Level 20 Lawful Good Drow Male
(1 Fighter \ 2 Monk \ 17 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 259
Spell Points: 1212 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 12
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    19
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    20
Bluff                 0                     1
Concentration         5                    25
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  6                     6
Listen                3                     9
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     2
Spot                  6                    12
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Cleric)


Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 7 (Cleric)


Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma I
Enhancement: Cleric Charisma II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III

**unbongwah** · 07-19-2010, 02:09 PM

That version of the builder should have the new PrEs. It looks like you don't have all the pre-reqs chosen, which is probably why RS won't show up. For RS I you need: Empower Healing Spell, Cleric Life Magic II, Cleric Improved Turning I, Cleric Heal II, and one of the following - Cleric Divine Cleansing I, Cleric Divine Light I, Cleric Divine Healing I, Cleric Divine Vitality I, Cleric Divine Might I. For RS II you need: Cleric Prayer of Life I, Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I, and one of the following - Cleric Charisma II, Unyielding Sovereignty, Silver Flame Exorcism, Vulkoor's Avatar, Undying Call, Bladesworn Transformation.

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by unbongwah

That version of the builder should have the new PrEs. It looks like you don't have all the pre-reqs chosen, which is probably why RS won't show up. For RS I you need: Empower Healing Spell, Cleric Life Magic II, Cleric Improved Turning I, Cleric Heal II, and one of the following - Cleric Divine Cleansing I, Cleric Divine Light I, Cleric Divine Healing I, Cleric Divine Vitality I, Cleric Divine Might I. For RS II you need: Cleric Prayer of Life I, Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I, and one of the following - Cleric Charisma II, Unyielding Sovereignty, Silver Flame Exorcism, Vulkoor's Avatar, Undying Call, Bladesworn Transformation.

Oh nice! I just assumed it wasn't in the planner since the THF feats tooltips weren't updated for U5. And since I thought it wasn't even in the planner I just went ahead and used the points without thought, just made sure to get all of the ability boosters so it would reflect in the build. Thanks for pointing that out.

Anyway I'd still like some comments on the updated builds, and which one of them is to prefer.

**Calebro** · 07-19-2010, 02:21 PM

As stated previously, feats need help. Take more caster feats. Dual wielding rapiers on this build is actually a better idea than people are giving you credit for (when you're in melee), but Weapon Finesse is a waste of a feat slot.
Consider: Starting Str 14 +6 item = 20 Str vs. starting Dex 16. +1 Dev tome makes that 17 +6 item = 23 Dex. That's a whole +1 to hit, and it cost you a feat. If you spend the AP to get +2 Dex, it becomes a +2 to hit over Str. Even when running solo Rage pots, self cast Divine Power, etc, make up that difference easily. It's not worth a feat.

If it were me, following your leveling progression, I'd take the following:
1. m1: Toughness, TWF
3. c2: Extend
5. m2: Power Attack
6. c4: Empower Heal
9. c7: Maximize
12. c10: Quicken
15. c13: Spell Pen
18. c16: Greater Spell Pen

This would make you an effective caster, while still retaining the ability to equip dual rapiers and jumping into melee when needed.

1 Dex enhancement gets you to an even number. No need for both.
MAX OUT Spell Pen enhancements. Taking only tier I as in the build above is a mistake.
And scrap the Dex build. You're a cleric. Wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. If you want to be a battle cleric, Str is a viable option, but not Dex.
And 1 Fighter is a mistake as well. You're giving up a caster level to get AC Boost (situational) Haste Boost (decent), a feat (good) and a few HP. This isn't worth a caster level. If you weren't using rapiers it might be worth it for weapon proficiencies on top of all of that, but you already get rapiers as a Drow, so that's moot.

**Rikien** · 07-19-2010, 03:52 PM

Ok, so now I've modified my build yet another time. This time they're split into Longsword and Rapier. I personally prefer the rapier build, even if it's not centered.

Longsword:

17Clr/2Mnk/1Ftr Elf

Starting stats: 14STR, 16DEX, 12CON, 8INT, 16WIS, 8CHA. +1DEX Tome at level 8.

1 - Toughness
1m - Two Weapon Fighting
2f - Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
3 - Whirling Steel Strike
6 - Empower Healing Spell
6m - Power Attack
9 - Improved Two Weapon Fighting
12 - Extend Spell
15 - Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
18 - Maximize Spell

Rapier:

17Clr/2Mnk/1Ftr Drow Elf

Starting stats: 14STR, 16DEX, 12CON, 8INT, 16WIS, 8CHA. +1DEX Tome at level 8.

1 - Toughness
1m - Two Weapon Fighting
3 - Extend Spell
5m - Power Attack
6 - Empower Healing Spell
9 - Maximize Spell
9f - Improved Two Weapon Fighting
12 - Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
15 - Greater Two Weapon Fighting
18 - Quicken Spell

EDIT: fixed naming, had "Longsword" where it should've said "Rapier" and vice versa.

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