Loathesome Knight

[OldAquarian]

12Fighter/6Paladin/2Monk

+40% healing - Stalwart Defender II
Very good dps mode - using falchions
Can use shield and B. Sword for more defense and still keep glancing blows
Very high saves and evasion
Very very high intimidate - 49 naked
400% Hate generation

My version of a tank
Skills Intimidate/Jump/Balance

Comments please:

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loathsome knight
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 410
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 27
Reflex: 18
Will: 23

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    18
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         16                    19
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             14                    22

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    25
Bluff                 2                     6
Concentration         3                     4
Diplomacy             2                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     6
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  1                     2
Intimidate            2                    49
Jump                  6                    27
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         1                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                1                     2
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  6                     9
Tumble                5                     6
Use Magic Device      4                    10

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Human Bonus) Least Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: CHA


Level 5 (Paladin)


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Sentinel


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Sentinel
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: CHA
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation I
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation II
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation III
Enhancement: Deneith Intimidation IV
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Way of the Tenacious Badger I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate III
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate IV
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I

[GhoulsTouch]

Awesome...
Very Awesome. Good job.

Totally out of the box on this one. I like the tremendously high charisma on the mostly fighter build so you can take the heat with your saves and evasion.

Is there a way to get an extra lay on hands in there? You would heal a considerable amount of damage if you could.

[unbongwah]

A few things puzzle me:

• Why did you put all your lvl-ups into CHA? You can't take Divine Might past I; is it just for the boost to Intim & saves?
• I've never seen anyone bother with the Sentinel DMs. Are they actually any good; or are you just trying to be different?
• Likewise, the conventional wisdom is the Shield Mastery feats aren't worth it because you rarely need to turtle. Again, do you have a plan here?
• For what I presume is meant to be a high-AC intimitank, your base DEX seems a bit low, especially since your monk splash implies you plan to wear robes or light armor.
• A high-CHA character who doesn't have at least 11 ranks in UMD? Are you mad?!

[GhoulsTouch]

Dex will be at least 20 with an item, plus 5 to AC in a Mithral Breastplate is about perfect if he had armor mastery not sure need to check on that. It doesnt seem like there is much room for it if so. With Charisma, Wisdom,Dex, and Con Items on by themselves all his saves would be 6 higher without resistance items.
I too would think Mark Of Passage would be more fun.
UMD,well he can wand whip and Lay on Hands.

Every build has their quirks. I like the idea behind this one though. Gave me inspiration to make something multi class to be complimentary to something like this.

[OldAquarian]

Dex is high enough for mithral breastplate
Don't need Wisdom (have FoP, so I use CHA) - with +6 items in CON, DEX, CHA will get +6 to each saves

Sentinel and High CHA picked for max intimidate (CHA also for saves)
+6 total intimidate (+2 from lesser - Deneith Intimidation IV requires greater)
Shield of Faith
Protection from Energy: allow you to absorb 12 points of energy damage per character level.
Globe of Invulnerability: completely suppressing spell effects of level 4 and below.

Shield Masteries are only Fighter feats remotely helpful to this build - when AC becomes an issue I do see turtling as an option. Note that I expect to have High AC heavy armor as well as decent AC light evasion armor and probably some utility robes for use with stances)

[GhoulsTouch]

So I made you a little backstabbing sidekick...on paper anyway
Kensai II Assassin I, aggro returner...definately need a guild who would understand you are not a trapmonkey rogue
As it stands here it has a sneak attack of +18 to hit on top of BAB doing an additional 4D6+20 Damage.

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ChurchKey AKA Backdoor Man
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(12 Fighter \ 2 Paladin \ 6 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 328
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 22
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             13                    18
Dexterity            15                    22
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         13                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma             15                    20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    11
Bluff                 2                    10
Concentration         2                     5
Diplomacy             6                    34
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     5
Heal                  1                     6
Hide                  4                    19
Intimidate            2                     7
Jump                  5                    29
Listen               -1                     2
Move Silently         4                    19
Open Lock             6                    29
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     3
Search                1                     3
Spot                  3                     4
Swim                  1                     5
Tumble                6                    10
Use Magic Device      6                    31

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Paladin)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Diplomacy


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Piercing Weapons


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Rapier Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Rapier Specialization I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery II
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Halfling Hero's Companion I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Will) I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Paladin Diplomacy I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

[GhoulsTouch]

Dex is high enough for mithral breastplate
Don't need Wisdom (have FoP, so I use CHA) - with +6 items in CON, DEX, CHA will get +6 to each saves

Sentinel and High CHA picked for max intimidate (CHA also for saves)
+6 total intimidate (+2 from lesser - Deneith Intimidation IV requires greater)
Shield of Faith
Protection from Energy: allow you to absorb 12 points of energy damage per character level.
Globe of Invulnerability: completely suppressing spell effects of level 4 and below.

Shield Masteries are only Fighter feats remotely helpful to this build - when AC becomes an issue I do see turtling as an option. Note that I expect to have High AC heavy armor as well as decent AC light evasion armor and probably some utility robes for use with stances)

Whaoh you dont need force of personality, you have a charisma bonus to all your saves as is....you have at least one more feat now. Totally overlooked that one.

[theb]

You'll have a conc op item anyway that will boost wis, so you really, really, *really* don't need FoP.

[OldAquarian]

FoP - seems extremely good so far at low levels - taking virtually no damage from melee or spells
Later as gear fills in and CHA and WIS rise - can always swap it for Toughness if it seems overkill

With all the Fighter and Monk levels this build really does not want for feats - but if there are fighter feats that are better than Shield Mastery or any feat better than FoP or some of the filler Toughness feats let me know

It seems a waste to take any other +save feat (FoP at least is a lot more than +1 or +2 difference)
There seem to be no intimidate feats that were missed (aside from SD III, but the benefits of Pally 6 seem to outweigh them - even the + healing and Ghost touch are nice perks)

Anyway - so far at early levels this build is fun - although it was built for grouping, so far soloing is a breeze with most quests doable taking minimal damage - the LoH seems almost unfair as unless the quest is elite and above level there seems no reason to shrine. Admittedly, this will change drastically at higher levels, but so far the damage is good and the mitigation is awesome.

The difficulties I see are:
- can you have meaningful AC in light armor?
- can you use heavy armor for better AC and afford to lose evasion for most really tough tanking?
- are there enough buffs/gear to keep melee hits missing all but 1s?

[unbongwah]

I'm still trying to come up with a high-AC build myself, but my impression is you really have to work at it to get the numbers up there.

E.g., take Big Rock Candy: it gets its max DEX bonus up to 10 by taking Mithral Fluidity x2 and taking all the ftr Armor & Tower Shield enhs, which is also why it goes for DEX 30. I believe your max possible DEX bonus from tower shields would be 9: 4 base from mithral tower + 2 from SD II + 3 if you take all Tower Shield enhs. As a human, with the fighter armor enhs you could get your max DEX bonus to 8 in mithral breastplate or 10 in DT leather. Or use a heavy shield: costs you 2 AC but you don't have to load up on shield enhs because there's no limit on max DEX bonus, IIUC. Then you just have to worry about your max DEX bonus in armor.

[GhoulsTouch]

Nevermind

[OldAquarian]

Any other comments?