/rant

[Gkar]

The problem is likely that the XP report only updates upon certain events happening (ie monster died, trap disabled, etc. etc.). Time passing is not one of them. So while the penalty went away because time had passed the UI did not update.

Is there an actually formula you can give us that tells how the penalty is calculated? (% of kills, % of objectives, % of time, etc)

[Montrose]

The problem is likely that the XP report only updates upon certain events happening (ie monster died, trap disabled, etc. etc.). Time passing is not one of them. So while the penalty went away because time had passed the UI did not update.

So there you go. The next time you are unsure of whether or not you will get full exp, you just need to jump in some lava. Your death will trigger an update of the exp screen and the mystery will be solved.

[Lithic]

So there you go. The next time you are unsure of whether or not you will get full exp, you just need to jump in some lava. Your death will trigger an update of the exp screen and the mystery will be solved.

Closing and reopening the XP report should also update it. Just do that every 30 seconds.

[dragonlo]

Just venting. Move along.

this is what beer was made for when you play video games. Have a drink and everything is better

[Steiner-Davion]

Stupid late penalties are a load of BS.

I joined an at-level von 5 pug last night after they had started. By the time we get to the end, I have the most kills, but yet I still have a "-50% because you arrived late and contributed less". Really? REALLY?!!?!

I wasn't the only one. 4 of us were still sitting at -50%. By our math, it couldn't have been 5 more minutes until the penalty was gone when a couple of the non-penalized people decided they'd start the iron golem fight anyway.

Alt-F4. No, I'm not sorry. I told them I wasn't about to waste my first time bonus on being over level (we had a level 13 in the party) AND a -50% late penalty. So I didn't.

Then, I switch to my FvS for an ev6 run. Yark! Epic FAIL von 6, that is. Multiple base 3 wipes because whoever was over there couldn't handle it, even with help. Multiple base 1 wipes b/c base 3 was taking so long... 3 SP pots later... /release

/rant off

Just venting. Move along.

Gol, I totally feel for you, and I don't blame you for your decisions in those situations.

Another thing that bothers me, is the Stupid Quest Mechanic in Shroud 4 going into 5 that kills everyone, and takes away your Flawless Bonus for NOT Dying. Any quest mechanic that forces something to happen, like death in this example, should not be held against the party.

[Steiner-Davion]

The problem is likely that the XP report only updates upon certain events happening (ie monster died, trap disabled, etc. etc.). Time passing is not one of them. So while the penalty went away because time had passed the UI did not update.

And that is a Big part of the problem. How the heck are we supposed to know? If it is based upon time that we get the late penalty, for joining afgter the party gets started, then we need to know what we need to do get rid of the penalty. Transparency here is key, and would cost Turbine very little at all.

So Phax, what exactly are the factors used to determine the -50% and -80% penalties being applied and removed?

[KoboldKiller]

Admittedly I have one simple rule. I do NOT join quests in progress for just that reason unless I am just looking for favor or flagging. But that's me.

[Gol]

The problem is likely that the XP report only updates upon certain events happening (ie monster died, trap disabled, etc. etc.). Time passing is not one of them. So while the penalty went away because time had passed the UI did not update.

Unfortunate that it works that way IMO, but thanks very much for the information.

[Phalcon]

Stupid late penalties are a load of BS.

I joined an at-level von 5 pug last night after they had started. By the time we get to the end, I have the most kills, but yet I still have a "-50% because you arrived late and contributed less". Really? REALLY?!!?!

I wasn't the only one. 4 of us were still sitting at -50%. By our math, it couldn't have been 5 more minutes until the penalty was gone when a couple of the non-penalized people decided they'd start the iron golem fight anyway.

Alt-F4. No, I'm not sorry. I told them I wasn't about to waste my first time bonus on being over level (we had a level 13 in the party) AND a -50% late penalty. So I didn't.

Then, I switch to my FvS for an ev6 run. Yark! Epic FAIL von 6, that is. Multiple base 3 wipes because whoever was over there couldn't handle it, even with help. Multiple base 1 wipes b/c base 3 was taking so long... 3 SP pots later... /release

/rant off

Just venting. Move along.

was this the late night run we did last night without a bard?

[iamsamoth0]

Previously it had occurred to me that the time 'lags'. It would seem to not reflect accurately. But I didn't put much emphasis on it. I've joined late against my better judgment, but by the time I got finished I had just forgotten about it. Normally I wouldn't join an, 'in progress' unless they needed some type of specific help. So it is good to know that simply standing there with the XP menu open will not make the problem go away...

[Montrose]

Closing and reopening the XP report should also update it. Just do that every 30 seconds.

Closing and re-opening *should* do it, but unless I am misunderstanding the dev response, a data refresh is needed, not just a screen refresh.

[Gunga]

Closing and re-opening *should* do it, but unless I am misunderstanding the dev response, a data refresh is needed, not just a screen refresh.

Closing and opening does not fix it.

[Asialee]

was this the late night run we did last night without a bard?

Yes, it was.. do you remember ?

[Phax]

T = Time since dungeon started.
P = Time since player entered.

// < 10 minute difference means no penalty
if( P - T < 10 minutes )
No Penalty

//If player was around for less than a quarter of the time
if ( P < T / 4 )
-80% XP

//If player was around for less than half of the time
if( P < T / 2 )
-50% XP


Actions that will trigger the UI to update:

- YOU log in.

The rest apply to anyone in the party (everyone gets an update on these events):

- Player Died
- Henchman Died
- Monster Died
- Chest Looted
- Secret Door Discovered
- Trap Disabled
- Breakable Smashed

Oh and btw - I do consider the UI not updating when the penalty reduces a bug.

[Gunga]

T = Time since dungeon started.
P = Time since player entered.

// < 10 minute difference means no penalty
if( P - T < 10 minutes )
No Penalty

//If player was around for less than a quarter of the time
if ( P < T / 4 )
-80% XP

//If player was around for less than half of the time
if( P < T / 2 )
-50% XP

I'd have to say that right there is a pretty direct answer. Thanks.

[Missing_Minds]

Woot, function call!

Thanks, Phax.

emm... So easiest way to update the log... break something/kill something. I think we can handle that.

[sirgog]

T = Time since dungeon started.
P = Time since player entered.

// < 10 minute difference means no penalty
if( P - T < 10 minutes )
No Penalty

//If player was around for less than a quarter of the time
if ( P < T / 4 )
-80% XP

//If player was around for less than half of the time
if( P < T / 2 )
-50% XP


Actions that will trigger the UI to update:

- YOU log in.

The rest apply to anyone in the party (everyone gets an update on these events):

- Player Died
- Henchman Died
- Monster Died
- Chest Looted
- Secret Door Discovered
- Trap Disabled
- Breakable Smashed

Oh and btw - I do consider the UI not updating when the penalty reduces a bug.

Thank you! Turbine needs more devs like you, that give straight and detailed answers.

While we have you, any chance you could tell us the proc rates of Shroud weapon/guard procs?

[Cyr]

T = Time since dungeon started.
P = Time since player entered.

// < 10 minute difference means no penalty
if( P - T < 10 minutes )
No Penalty

//If player was around for less than a quarter of the time
if ( P < T / 4 )
-80% XP

//If player was around for less than half of the time
if( P < T / 2 )
-50% XP


Actions that will trigger the UI to update:

- YOU log in.

The rest apply to anyone in the party (everyone gets an update on these events):

- Player Died
- Henchman Died
- Monster Died
- Chest Looted
- Secret Door Discovered
- Trap Disabled
- Breakable Smashed

Oh and btw - I do consider the UI not updating when the penalty reduces a bug.

That seems to be pretty straight forward Phax. Thanks for the exact stats on this it really does help for those of us who join a quest late.

Possible improvement to system. Have a time until xp penalty is reduced since it is a time based event displayed on the xp screen.

[iamsamoth0]

T = Time since dungeon started.
P = Time since player entered.

// < 10 minute difference means no penalty
if( P - T < 10 minutes )
No Penalty

//If player was around for less than a quarter of the time
if ( P < T / 4 )
-80% XP

//If player was around for less than half of the time
if( P < T / 2 )
-50% XP


Actions that will trigger the UI to update:

- YOU log in.

The rest apply to anyone in the party (everyone gets an update on these events):

- Player Died
- Henchman Died
- Monster Died
- Chest Looted
- Secret Door Discovered
- Trap Disabled
- Breakable Smashed

Oh and btw - I do consider the UI not updating when the penalty reduces a bug.

Let's not blow out the feedback limit for the day!! Information overload.
I'm glad you edited. The second part I wanted to see. and it's legible.

[Phalcon]

Stupid late penalties are a load of BS.

I joined an at-level von 5 pug last night after they had started. By the time we get to the end, I have the most kills, but yet I still have a "-50% because you arrived late and contributed less". Really? REALLY?!!?!

I wasn't the only one. 4 of us were still sitting at -50%. By our math, it couldn't have been 5 more minutes until the penalty was gone when a couple of the non-penalized people decided they'd start the iron golem fight anyway.

Alt-F4. No, I'm not sorry. I told them I wasn't about to waste my first time bonus on being over level (we had a level 13 in the party) AND a -50% late penalty. So I didn't.

Then, I switch to my FvS for an ev6 run. Yark! Epic FAIL von 6, that is. Multiple base 3 wipes because whoever was over there couldn't handle it, even with help. Multiple base 1 wipes b/c base 3 was taking so long... 3 SP pots later... /release

/rant off

Just venting. Move along.

I was in that raid. I was on my battle caster on base 3, with a wf tank to help dps the pillar since I don't have disintegrate. Now if memory serves me right, we wiped because we didn't have a bard and Base 1 kept wiping, due to elementals not being controlled. On base three we killed our Djinn and pillars about 3 times in a row waiting for base 1 to finish. now after all that mess and i ran outta sp and had already used 3 pots we wiped on base 3. however none of that would have happened however if we had crowd control on base three so making the statement that the person on base 3 (Me) couldn't handle it, is completely false, get your /rant facts straight. You were on what base again Gol?

now that thats over with yes that was a total drag. i sucked down pots as well for no reason and you know who i blame? i blame tot.