Remember when fog spells slowed enemies down?

[Merlocke]

Could someone fraps and post the video of how the fog spells act for us. I seem to remember being told that the Devs never say any DPS lag in the shroud. Until they saw a video of what happened and then observed players actually playing on a live server they'd never seen DPS Lag.

I agree, someone with fraps should do this.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I agree, someone with fraps should do this.

I disagree. The devs/qa/whatever should do this. Its their ******* job.

I don't understand how so many of them (allegedly) play the game and yet are always completely oblivious to such long-lasting and major bugs throughout the game.

[Wizzly_Bear]

(BTW: fix Greater Teleport too! Or am I the only one that remembers it is not working as originally advertised?)

I'll bite - what's wrong with GT? Besides not having any new locations in over a year (or has it been 2?).

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I'll bite - what's wrong with GT? Besides not having any new locations in over a year (or has it been 2?).

It is supposed to work in public areas too.

I would settle for self only in public areas.

[Wizzly_Bear]

It is supposed to work in public areas too.

I would settle for self only in public areas.

I'd rather not have group tele in public, but self would be nice.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=98270

Best I could find is post #4.

I cant find the original spell description.....sry

[Maegin]

There are a lot of players now that don't even know they are supposed to have that effect. I realize that is has been a long time since they worked correctly, but has any Dev ever actually commented on it? It would be nice for these spells to be a little more useful again.

Ah, life was grand when these still worked to what they used to be.

[Syrophir]

A little more messing around with the actual 'slow' spell shows that a 25% movement rate change on the monster IS very visible and IS noticable. It does slow them down. Very much so.. It's obvious and far more than the supposed 40% change from a fog spell we're supposed to see. So whatever change you guys think you're making that is -40%. It's broken. Not working.

Altho even slow isn't correct anymore as per the screenshot... But the 25% rate that is applied is very noticable. at -25% they have trouble keeping up with my character speed. (and at -40% they don't.)

If this is the way it now is, I would say no matter how you devs tested it it's not WAI on the live servers.

Also pretty much no one who knows what the spell should, and shouln't, do have used this spell for a very long time.
If it was not broken, players wouldn't be here barking about it. Will do some testing myself and see how it is..

Edit: Ok I have just a sorc on Thelanis so couldn't swap more than 1 spell, and decided to try Acid Fog 1st which I used to the rats near Meridia.
I was able to slow them a bit, and keep them in the fog, while myself running around the cloud but need to try the Slow spell next to see the difference.

[Wizzly_Bear]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=98270

Best I could find is post #4.

I cant find the original spell description.....sry

Wow....that was over 3 and 1/2 years ago. That was right about the time I joined the game. So often I wish there was a game as enjoyable as this one, but with good customer service.

[Lifespawn]

Wow....that was over 3 and 1/2 years ago. That was right about the time I joined the game. So often I wish there was a game as enjoyable as this one, but with good customer service.

ya over 3 years thats pathetic they should go back and put the SOON on it

[Wizzly_Bear]

ya over 3 years thats pathetic they should go back and put the SOON on it

I'd "lol" but its just true and sad

[parvo]

While you're at it, check the speed of human type enemies. They act like they are perma-hasted.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

OK, I got the whole story now.

Yes, it was changed with Update 9. It used to apply an 80% slowdown to both players and mobs, but it was decided at that time that it was too close to a root.

It's currently at 40%. I just sat with the entire systems team and verified that it is indeed a 40% slowdown. Apart from it technically moving the mobs at 60% of their normal speed, it visually looks like they are moving at 60% of their non-slowed speed. This is the same for players and monsters (i.e. before Update 9 players affected by fog would have moved twice as slow as now).

So, our official stance on this is that it is 'working as intended' and not a bug. What *is* a bug (or at least wasn't intentional) is that the fog spells can stack.

We could certainly debate the merits of the change, how useful the fog spells generally are, etc, but that is a separate matter. I personally think that we need to a review pass on all spells as many of them just aren't useful (or worth the cost) and I'm hoping for us to do that in the near future.

Well thank you for your work on this so far. But don't you think its odd that they made a useful spell NOT useful at the same time you say you want to look into making useless spells useful?

I respect you, MadFloyd - but I have to just say that what you are reporting just does not jibe with what I've seen. When a player goes into an enemy's fog, the slow-down is noticeable. When an enemy goes into a player cast cloud, there is no visible effect what so ever. None. They simply don't slow down a notch, let alone 40%. If there is any slow-down on a mob, then it's so subtle it's to the point of near non-existence.

But, I guess this means the case is closed as far as the Devs go - so I won't harp on it anymore. I'm just really disappointed that this is yet another instance of Dev/Player disconnect.

This is my experience on the issue as well. The only purpose for Solid Fog at this point is on clickies to easily raw agro in the hound.

[MrkGrismer]

A comment in regards to the fog spells and the SRD (or tabletop, however you want to put it). The thing is that in tabletop the fogs affect friend and foe alike, everybody gets concealment and everybody gets slowed. I know in ddo we have no friendly fire. But the thing is that by making it so it only affects opponents spells which are of very limited use in PnP become 'uber' in ddo. Or they would be 'uber' if it wasn't for the visual effect that comes darn close to makeing players (only) blind. Doesn't effect the mobs.

[Dark_Helmet]

A comment in regards to the fog spells and the SRD (or tabletop, however you want to put it). The thing is that in tabletop the fogs affect friend and foe alike, everybody gets concealment and everybody gets slowed. I know in ddo we have no friendly fire. But the thing is that by making it so it only affects opponents spells which are of very limited use in PnP become 'uber' in ddo. Or they would be 'uber' if it wasn't for the visual effect that comes darn close to makeing players (only) blind. Doesn't effect the mobs.

Back in beta, some people wanted spells to work that way (even firewall which would prevent all that kiting).

All the dev posts are gone about it, but it was too easy to cast where party members were / run into your own spell area while the computer never did it. It was called "Magic" that the spells only worked on enemies (but they never really explained why grease and ice storm hit everyone).

[Freeman]

This is my experience on the issue as well. The only purpose for Solid Fog at this point is on clickies to easily raw agro in the hound.

Coming in Update 8: Fog clouds no longer generate aggro from purple named mobs

[MrCow]

In the event it hasn't been mentioned yet, the issue with fog-based slowing is that it appears to take place on critters only if they are subjected to another slowing effect at the same time (such as being fatigued, exhausted, slowed, hamstring'd, crippled, tendon sliced, and so on while in a slowing fog), otherwise the fog-based slow effect is ignored.

While you're at it, check the speed of human type enemies. They act like they are perma-hasted.

Yep. Since Update 1 when we got the humanoids in the Inspired Quarters there was a change to all humans (and those who are closely linked to the human model) such that they run about 125% run speed. The change can be assumed that it was accidentally made global when it was meant solely for the Inspired humanoids that came with the update's new quests.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Back in beta, some people wanted spells to work that way (even firewall which would prevent all that kiting).

All the dev posts are gone about it, but it was too easy to cast where party members were / run into your own spell area while the computer never did it. It was called "Magic" that the spells only worked on enemies (but they never really explained why grease and sleet storm hit everyone).

fixed

In the event it hasn't been mentioned yet, the issue with fog-based slowing is that it appears to take place on critters only if they are subjected to another slowing effect at the same time (such as being fatigued, exhausted, slowed, hamstring'd, crippled, tendon sliced, and so on while in a slowing fog), otherwise the fog-based slow effect is ignored.



Yep. Since Update 1 when we got the humanoids in the Inspired Quarters there was a change to all humans (and those who are closely linked to the human model) such that they run about 125% run speed. The change can be assumed that it was accidentally made global when it was meant solely for the Inspired humanoids that came with the update's new quests.

Indeed. This one doesn't affect me personally so I'm not much invested in it, but there definitely was a change and it has persisted.

[LordArkan]

Saw this thread, did a Q&D recording of a jaunt in the Vale. Uploading now.

Finished uploading, now processing...

aaand finished processing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHrmEiIatpQ
Acid Fog in particular had zero effect on enemy movement. At least solid fog would cause their AI to stop for an instant before running through at full speed again. Threw in grease/sleet storm to show the extreme contrast in effect on the player vs the mobs. Enemies with slow already on them were noticeably slowed further by the solid fog.
And then slow had the same targeting bug as the mass holds, so I demonstrated that one as well.

[muffinlad]

fixed

Indeed. This one doesn't affect me personally so I'm not much invested in it, but there definitely was a change and it has persisted.

Actually, sleet was known about, but ICE Storm actually worked on your party too...the slow part, not the damage part., so I am not sure if that needed to be fixed.

muffinicer