A Sorc without Firewall...

[sirgog]

is like a cat without legs. You feel sorry for it, but you can't help laughing at it either.

[FluffyCalico]

is like a cat without legs. You feel sorry for it, but you can't help laughing at it either.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8193636377093#

[Pugsley]

Halt Undead > Firewall

[Montrose]

Firewall : Arcane :: Improved Crit : Melee

You can be "ok" without it, but there is simply no reason not to (ab)use it.

[Goldeneye]

"I don't need to wear a CHA item, I started with a high CHA of 15, so I should be fine"

[samthedagger]

I am working on leveling up an acid/electricity sorcerer just for fun to use some of the spells I normally wouldn't use otherwise. But I still take wall of fire.

[dkyle]

Halt Undead > Firewall

Sometimes. If you're fighting mindless undead, or have a good enough DC vs intelligent undead.

Firewall makes fighting Sor'Jek in SoS much easier. Halt undead's not going to work at all.

Firewall is great in epics, undead quest or not.

If you're a wizard, carry both for undead quests; if you're a Sorc, you'll be fine sticking with firewall.

[Nott]

Halt Undead > Firewall

If nearly every mob you came up against were undead, you would have a point. However, firewall is effective against most every creature in the game, where halt undead is effective against only a small fraction -- and does nothing to actually kill the undead it halts.

[jwdaniels]

Firewall is the most overrated spell in DDO by far. It's great for soloing, but its effectiveness diminishes exponentially the more people you have in the group. In my opinion, a sorcerer with lots of crowd control is more useful in a group than a sorcerer that relies on spamming firewall.

A sorcerer that relies only on firewall is like a fat cat (with four legs) trying to run a marathon. He'll get started pretty quickly, but then fade out fast.

[Aspenor]

Halt Undead > Firewall

lolwrong

[Xaearth]

Firewall is the most overrated spell in DDO by far. It's great for soloing, but its effectiveness diminishes exponentially the more morons that wouldn't know how to use crowd control anyways you have in the group.

Fixed.

[jwdaniels]

Fixed.

Really? In my experience there are more morons that don't know how to use firewall then morons that don't know how to use crowd control. It's generally easier to explain to a melee not to hit the mobs with notes over there heads than it is to explain to a firewall-happy sorcerer that standing in a firewall swinging your melee weapons doesn't help kill the ranged attackers and spell casters you're up against and meleeing in a firewall is definitely not the best way to kill an iron golem.

Maybe it's just that the sorcerers I run into are all played by the dumbest morons in the game, but in most full-group situations I've seen crowd control is at least as efficient, if not far more so, than firewall.

The true effectiveness of firewall comes from the fact that it's a persistent AoE damager - the fact that it's fire and does double damage to undead and there are so many quests (particularly in the level 7 - 10 range, where firewall is at or near the top level you can cast) make it great. The more DPS other than the caster in the group, the less efficient firewall becomes - firewall doesn't do anything when it's burning in a cleared out room. If you have enough DPS to kill all of the mobs in a dungeon room within the duration of a single crowd control effect that can hold them all then the mobs don't even get to hit back like they do when you fight from a firewall.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Firewall is the most overrated spell in DDO by far. It's great for soloing, but its effectiveness diminishes exponentially the more people you have in the group. In my opinion, a sorcerer with lots of crowd control is more useful in a group than a sorcerer that relies on spamming firewall.

A sorcerer that relies only on firewall is like a fat cat (with four legs) trying to run a marathon. He'll get started pretty quickly, but then fade out fast.

as an intimitank I love running with someone using firewall. I will use intim to help drag the mobs into the firewall and then stand there and watch them die

[Sweyn]

Halt Undead > Firewall

And you cannot have both spells because?

[thwart]

So ... this firewall is a good spell?

[Montrose]

So ... this firewall is a good spell?

No, it's ****. Take Fire Trap instead. Man, they need to nerf that thing. It can do up to 24 damage at 20th level. Crazy good.

(Edit: I think I am going to memorize fire trap on my wizard and cast it, just to see if the devs actually implemented the spell, or if it just throws up a dialog that says "Congratulations! You are the first person to ever cast this spell!")