please fix manyshot

[Velexia]

Pardon the butting in here but. If any PrE for rangers should get a shorter cooldown for manyshot it would have to be deepwoods sniper. Honestly it goes with it better than AA.

That PrE doesn't exist. Ah.. no no... I don't want to see your evidence. It doesn't exist. At least, not yet anyway.

[Schmoe]

I'm with you. There's SO many different things this affects (things I didn't even think of trying since I'm not trying to exploit) that really are game-breaking. I haven't tested but if this works on Unyielding Sovereignty...that's just ridiculously sick. That's like the ability to solo anything that can't kill you in less than a second as long as you have the dps to kill it.

It does. I've witnessed it.

[maddmatt70]

.....while it lasts. And dont' be upset if a gamer in your group is using this gift. Instead, simply laugh and enjoy along with everyone else. We know it will be fixed, may as well laugh and kick back in the mean time.

/hooray -Bunk

/signed. I have been playing archers since DDO was released. I have heard and had to put up with gadzillion abuse because of the general perception that ranged combat was gimped. It is great now today to see posts that ranged combat needs a nerf for once even if this new top dog status is short lived it is still is nice to enjoy for a few weeks.

[kernal42]

/signed. I have been playing archers since DDO was released. I have heard and had to put up with gadzillion abuse because of the general perception that ranged combat was gimped. It is great now today to see posts that ranged combat needs a nerf for once even if this new top dog status is short lived it is still is nice to enjoy for a few weeks.

This is not a nerf. This is a broken feature of the game allowing for an exploit. Specifically: manyshot is supposed to have a 2-minute cooldown before uses; with the current implementation error it can be left on continuously. This is not an overpowered feature that needs nerfing; it is an implementation flaw that needs fixing, just like stuck spots in quests and the AH failing to return expired auctions.

With this in mind, the OP is perhaps over-dramatic in the urgency of the fix. There are many other current implementation errors that I think are far more important (sp/hp guild augs shrinking slots; full re-eqip on login, etc), and should be higher on the devs' priority list. Meanwhile, as other posters have mentionned, Archers should enjoy it while it lasts, and others should be prepared to compete harder than normal for kills.

Cheers,
Kernal

[toughguyjoe]

This whole cooldown bug is just amazing.

Polar ray machine guns!

Many Shot barrages!

Insta Unyielding Sov on command!

Also, you can probably do other, less awesome stuff with it.



One thing I get from this thread is the general idea that Ranged needs a buff. It does. This is a fact.

Auto Many shot is not the answer. Increased rate of fire based on attack bonus along with Proc chances for double/triple/quadruple arrows is the answer that I see.

Make a feat available to all ranged users, give it some heavy pre reqs but make them ones people would take.

something like this:

Barrage
Requires:
Point Blank Shot
Rapid Shot
Bow Strength
Many Shot
Shot on the run
BAB 15

Your ranged attacks potentially block out the sun. While the Barrage stance is active all ranged attacks made by the Character have a chance to fire additional arrows. 10% of the time single attacks will fire two arrows. 7.5% of the time single attacks with fire three arrows. 5% of the time single attacks with fire four arrows.

Meh. I can't believe I actually went through the mental anguish to type something up about ranged toons.

[Chai]

Welcome to the new barbarian capstone haste debacle of 2010. It will soon be nerfed because its not intended, and rangers and AA who depended on it will cry about it just like the barbarians who built their toon to rely on their unintended capstone haste.

Neg rep for this? Weak like 7 days. Not my fault someone cant handle the truth about the way people build their toons to incorporate exploits and unintended bugs they knew would be fixed, then decided to cry about it afterward and act like it was intended operation the entire time.

I wonder how many LRs Turbine sold due to the fact that so many people LRed back to pure barb because of the unintended haste, and then afterward when they LRed back out of it due to the fix.

[Chai]

This whole cooldown bug is just amazing.

Polar ray machine guns!

Many Shot barrages!

Insta Unyielding Sov on command!

Also, you can probably do other, less awesome stuff with it.



One thing I get from this thread is the general idea that Ranged needs a buff. It does. This is a fact.

Auto Many shot is not the answer. Increased rate of fire based on attack bonus along with Proc chances for double/triple/quadruple arrows is the answer that I see.

Make a feat available to all ranged users, give it some heavy pre reqs but make them ones people would take.

something like this:

Barrage
Requires:
Point Blank Shot
Rapid Shot
Bow Strength
Many Shot
Shot on the run
BAB 15

Your ranged attacks potentially block out the sun. While the Barrage stance is active all ranged attacks made by the Character have a chance to fire additional arrows. 10% of the time single attacks will fire two arrows. 7.5% of the time single attacks with fire three arrows. 5% of the time single attacks with fire four arrows.

Meh. I can't believe I actually went through the mental anguish to type something up about ranged toons.

Is this part of the new Qin Army PRE?

[Deathseeker]

Ya'll may want to check Lammania...unlike the current live server, let's just say my ranger there seems to have to wait a full 2 minutes for manyshot no matter what he tries to do to get it to fire off sooner

Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted!

I doubt this is something they'd put in the release notes as they likely don't want to publicize the existance of the bug in the first place for obvious reasons.

Now just remember the old saying, "don't kill the messenger"....

[Visty]

Make a feat available to all ranged users, give it some heavy pre reqs but make them ones people would take.

something like this:

Barrage
Requires:
Point Blank Shot
Rapid Shot
Bow Strength
Many Shot
Shot on the run
BAB 15

Your ranged attacks potentially block out the sun. While the Barrage stance is active all ranged attacks made by the Character have a chance to fire additional arrows. 10% of the time single attacks will fire two arrows. 7.5% of the time single attacks with fire three arrows. 5% of the time single attacks with fire four arrows.

Meh. I can't believe I actually went through the mental anguish to type something up about ranged toons.

9 feats just for that?

[Rumbaar]

Funny the fixed the handwraps issue of 100% proc on certain wraps in a quick hotfix, monk too powerful [ha!]. But this they leave.

I'm happy for the Ranged rangers and Arcane Archers pwning it up at the moment tho.

[toughguyjoe]

9 feats just for that?

I waffled back and forth on making it incredibly feat intensive. Probably drop shot on the run....

Anyway it doesn't matter i'm probably never going to make a ranged toon whatever they change it to.

[Crann]

Did they fix this?

Everything seems to be functioning as before.

[Gremmlynn]

Funny the fixed the handwraps issue of 100% proc on certain wraps in a quick hotfix, monk too powerful [ha!]. But this they leave.

That's probably a case of changing a spark plug in one engine before rebuilding another. Not so much a matter of priority, than not delaying a quick fix until a more time consuming one is finished (or giving the intern something to do to keep them out from under foot).

[Baranor]

/signed. I have been playing archers since DDO was released. I have heard and had to put up with gadzillion abuse because of the general perception that ranged combat was gimped. It is great now today to see posts that ranged combat needs a nerf for once even if this new top dog status is short lived it is still is nice to enjoy for a few weeks.

so to be clear once again, I knew of manyshot and Unyielding Sovereignty but I didnt realize the extent of the problem

I never never asked for any kind of ranged nerf, but I will say that this game is not PnP so those rules are only guidelines and shouldnt be a reason ranged should be as effective as melee

No challenge = no fun

apparently you are wrong

Welcome to the new barbarian capstone haste debacle of 2010. It will soon be nerfed because its not intended, and rangers and AA who depended on it will cry about it just like the barbarians who built their toon to rely on their unintended capstone haste.

Neg rep for this? Weak like 7 days. Not my fault someone cant handle the truth about the way people build their toons to incorporate exploits and unintended bugs they knew would be fixed, then decided to cry about it afterward and act like it was intended operation the entire time.

I wonder how many LRs Turbine sold due to the fact that so many people LRed back to pure barb because of the unintended haste, and then afterward when they LRed back out of it due to the fix.

the whole rep system is stupid and rampant with abuse so dont sweat the small stuff, I fully expected some neg rep. I'm actually surprised only one

[Strype.McClaine]

In general....
Best.
Bug.
Ever.


Paladins can uber heal and just keep rockin.
Clerics/FvS can uber heal/super banish/implode.
Mages never spent their whole pool so fast.
(Except that one time, when you were lvling up your first wizard, circa mod 1, and you just got the old non adjusted maximize....)
And best of all, archers are being complained about by the two weapon fighters as being OP.

Black is white. Up is Down.....
Dwarven sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

[wolflordnexus]

Neg rep for this? Weak like 7 days. Not my fault someone cant handle the truth about the way people build their toons to incorporate exploits and unintended bugs they knew would be fixed, then decided to cry about it afterward and act like it was intended operation the entire time.

I wonder how many LRs Turbine sold due to the fact that so many people LRed back to pure barb because of the unintended haste, and then afterward when they LRed back out of it due to the fix.

I didn't neg you but your tone was unnecessary seemed arrogant and trolish your follow up continues that.
The capstone fix would have been much better received had they actually fixed the capstone. I personally had assumed it was intended as a replacement and never fixed the description as they tend to do often. It's not a big deal the capstone didn't stack with haste or madstone so wasn't worth much outside of soloing anyway.

[karudo]

ok let me get this right since i have been playing people have been complaining about ranged rangers need a boost because they suk then they get it and now people complain about it.

go figure why nothing gets done.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

Lol.
How come this thread still exists?
The cube is really slaking...

[toughguyjoe]

I didn't neg you but your tone was unnecessary seemed arrogant and trolish your follow up continues that.
The capstone fix would have been much better received had they actually fixed the capstone. I personally had assumed it was intended as a replacement and never fixed the description as they tend to do often. It's not a big deal the capstone didn't stack with haste or madstone so wasn't worth much outside of soloing anyway.

its ok, A few people cried on the forums about the barb capstone. Chai likes to blow things out of proportion BIG TIME.

I know I didn't give turbine any LR dollars on ANY of my toons due to "Bugged Capstones" or any other nonsense. If you asked Chai though me AND all my friends did it.

Wait, I took a trolling tone. I'm sorry.

*AHEM*

Turbine, Fix this wierd cooldown bug please. Its pretty uber, but not so much fun when everyone gets to cheat

[OLDTIMEDD]

I have been playing my lvl 18 AA ranger alot lately and have not seen this "bug/exploit". Use many shot alot too! lol guess I'll have to keep plinking away.