Shout out to the dps+heal specced palis.

[Nick_RC]

Just finishing up my latest tr this time it was a paladin. Can't say enough how easy and fun this guy was to play. Great dps(gotta push alot of buttons) awesome self sufficiency through self healing. I was going for a dps survivor build and couldn't recomend it more highly. 18 pali 2 monk. Dumped ac, took KoTC for many smites,Skills in conc and umd(didn't end up umding anything lol so would likely change that point).

Saying that to get the same healing potential u need to either have alot of raid loot or grind for it.

Feats were

PA- M
Tou-M
1. 2wf/khop (human)
3. Oversize
6. I2wf
9. I crit
12. Maximize
15. Greater 2wf
18. Quicken

crafted a conc op holy/+1str/30% healig amp khop before I trd.

Maximize + sup ardor clickies +human/item healing + devotion enhancements amp means my cure serious are hitting myself for 200ish a pop. Made alot of use out of sp regen items already had tourque, conc op item and offhand weapon, abbot gloves and bauble.

It was unlimited healing from lvl 11 onwards. I didn't use a pot/wand or scroll from 11 on. Between all that healing, LoH and sovereignty I acted as a mini healer in a lot of quests.

This guy could stand and deliver against anyone switching quicken on for tougher fights.

Lots of fun!
Edit: Only thing I would have liked to have had was some permanent dr to reduce the speed of dmg being done by multiple mobs attacking
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[Quikster]

I have one, lots of fun. I tr'd my human twf barb. Still looking for the sos shard but lots of fun. Have lots of guards as well, ls II, disintigrate, crushing waves, corrosive salt, conc opp. Good times.

[Gercho]

Just finishing up my latest tr this time it was a paladin. Can't say enough how easy and fun this guy was to play. Great dps(gotta push alot of buttons) awesome self sufficiency through self healing. I was going for a dps survivor build and couldn't recomend it more highly. 18 pali 2 monk. Dumped ac, took KoTC for many smites,Skills in conc and umd(didn't end up umding anything lol so would likely change that point).

Saying that to get the same healing potential u need to either have alot of raid loot or grind for it.

Feats were

PA- M
Tou-M
1. 2wf/khop (human)
3. Oversize
6. I2wf
9. I crit
12. Maximize
15. Greater 2wf
18. Quicken

crafted a conc op holy/+1str/30% healig amp khop before I trd.

Maximize + sup ardor clickies +human/item healing + devotion enhancements amp means my cure serious are hitting myself for 200ish a pop. Made alot of use out of sp regen items already had tourque, conc op item and offhand weapon, abbot gloves and bauble.

It was unlimited healing from lvl 11 onwards. I didn't use a pot/wand or scroll from 11 on. Between all that healing, LoH and sovereignty I acted as a mini healer in a lot of quests.

This guy could stand and deliver against anyone switching quicken on for tougher fights.

Lots of fun!

N

i m thorn between this build and a pure wfg dps pala for my tr... this one seems more fun while leveling, but the other seems to have more end game potential... besides i dont have the torc yet...
I would just drop otwf for extend or maybe sf umd...

[Nick_RC]

i m thorn between this build and a pure wfg dps pala for my tr... this one seems more fun while leveling, but the other seems to have more end game potential... besides i dont have the torc yet...
I would just drop otwf for extend or maybe sf umd...

Yeah i think pure would be best for endgame for sure. Taking advantage of weapons of good And epic weapons. I'd personally go human over wf for a pali the self healing is just soooo nice. Seeing as I'm tring staight away I just opted for a cheaper (running expenses wise) version.

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[Gercho]

Well, i think i could go pure human thf and drop khopesh and otwf and get the best of both worlds...

[Nick_RC]

Well, i think i could go pure human thf and drop khopesh and otwf and get the best of both worlds...

Thats what i meant. Maybe I didnt write it clear enough. 2 handed pure with ESOS would be pretty standard.

Basic platform would be

Human

1.PA
H.Tough
3. 2hf
6. I2hf
9.Icrit
12.Maximise
15. Greater 2hf
18. Quicken

(36p)

I'd do for max human dps 2 Handed.

S-18 <lvl ups
D-8 (yup dumped palis saves are sick anyway)
C - 12
I - 8
W - 8
C - 18 (Can LR for more hp when better tomes than +2 aquired.

Very basic and done before but likely one of the highest dpsers in the game - the option id go for if I intended to play at cap this life.
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[bunitchu]

Yeah i think pure would be best for endgame for sure. Taking advantage of weapons of good And epic weapons. I'd personally go human over wf for a pali the self healing is just soooo nice. Seeing as I'm tring staight away I just opted for a cheaper (running expenses wise) version.

N

well, for a twf, considering he will inevitably have some good stuff for his dex mod, his reflexes will b somewhat high, but besides the dex, he will also have Cha mod added to saves, becoming somewhat really good reflex saves, so...give him evasion with 2 monk/rogue, and there u go, most reflex save spells wont harm you as much

it ends up being a really effective build, BUT, you will b giving up on DM IV, and weapons of good. I prefer just have pure pally because i am the person who thinks "kill before getting killed", so the more damage i can pile on mobs, the better, but the monk mix isnt bad either.

the pros an cons of going 2 lvls of monk are:
-you will have evasion + high reflexes + some extra feats from monk
-you will loose DM 4 and 3d6 dmg against evil undead/outsiders

keeping in mind that those 3d6 extra can pile up for awessome damage if you are twf. However, if you see that those 3d6 wont really hurt your specific build considering gear/feats/enhancements that can still keep you damage pretty high disregarding DMIV and capstone, then going with some monk will actually b good^^

[Nick_RC]

Heh yeah as stated above I have no intention of planing the splash at cap(TRing again straight after )- it's a fine build but my personal preference is dps so pure would be better.

Was just really easy and cheap to level and I had alot of fun with it. Just thought I'd give a shout out in pali forums for it.

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[lord_of_rage]

well, for a twf, considering he will inevitably have some good stuff for his dex mod, his reflexes will b somewhat high, but besides the dex, he will also have Cha mod added to saves, becoming somewhat really good reflex saves, so...give him evasion with 2 monk/rogue, and there u go, most reflex save spells wont harm you as much

it ends up being a really effective build, BUT, you will b giving up on DM IV, and weapons of good. I prefer just have pure pally because i am the person who thinks "kill before getting killed", so the more damage i can pile on mobs, the better, but the monk mix isnt bad either.

the pros an cons of going 2 lvls of monk are:
-you will have evasion + high reflexes + some extra feats from monk
-you will loose DM 4 and 3d6 dmg against evil undead/outsiders

keeping in mind that those 3d6 extra can pile up for awessome damage if you are twf. However, if you see that those 3d6 wont really hurt your specific build considering gear/feats/enhancements that can still keep you damage pretty high disregarding DMIV and capstone, then going with some monk will actually b good^^

Having capped a 20 kotc paladin I can say I prefer the 2 monk. You are much more survivable. Honestly giving up 2 dmg on dm4 and 3d6 compared to evasion and self healing to me its a no brainer. The 3d6 extra compared to two feats that allow you to self heal pretty much unlimited. I dont see going pure worth it. Not to mention evasion with a reflex save in the high 30s. A pure paladin almost needs a heal bot. This build does not.

[Gercho]

Well, if you go human, and you go thf, drop khopesh and extend and you can fit the self healing, so you lose just evasion, even twf if you dont use khopesh you could fit the self healing in a pure pala.

[rodallec]

yeah pallys are such an overlooked class. they can do just about anything.
but about the UMD: STONESKIN WANDS!! sure its only 70 and you can get a seal of earth but still,
adds more to the already awesome survivability of pallys.

thanks for the massive healing amp idea.

[thisgamesull]

once again, Great build Groan

Noobs cry Nerf,pro's adapt

[Gunga]

Hey Nick.

I TR'd a TWF Barb to a 20 Human TWF KHOPESH Pali about 6 months ago.

Huge DPS and tons of fun.

With the new changes to THFing, do you think that you need the THF feats if you twitch? I ask because I'm wondering if it's worth holding on to all of my Khopeshes and TWFing, just breaking out the ESOS for the boss fights.

1. PA
H.Toughness
3. TWF
6. ITWF
9. IC:SLASH
12. Khopesh
15. GTWF
18. Maximize

Leaves me without Quicken, though I still have my hands for healing when I'm deep in it and can jump out to heal up if necessary.

So I guess that's the question....is Quicken worth losing the Khopesh collection?

[Cetus]

Hey sup nick, I am actually having the same exact experience =D

My pally TR is level 17 now, I made a human 16 con 16 cha 18 str split, decided to splash the guy with 2 fighter levels- I liked the 2 bonus feats and haste boost early on.
The unyielding sovereignty+loh+umd pretty much makes the class one of the fastest to level in my experience.

I just can't wait to cap him out, see what epic sos+epic marilith+ lotd smites are gonna look like (who cares about the taint of evil, -1 to saves and 5 hp are worth the damage amp heh)

[lord_of_rage]

Well, if you go human, and you go thf, drop khopesh and extend and you can fit the self healing, so you lose just evasion, even twf if you dont use khopesh you could fit the self healing in a pure pala.

You could possibly do it. I dont see the point of dropping kopesh. Then you lose dps. So either way you lose some dps. I shifted to the 18/2 and I prefer it. Its just much more survivable.

[Nick_RC]

Hey Nick.

I TR'd a TWF Barb to a 20 Human TWF KHOPESH Pali about 6 months ago.

Huge DPS and tons of fun.

With the new changes to THFing, do you think that you need the THF feats if you twitch? I ask because I'm wondering if it's worth holding on to all of my Khopeshes and TWFing, just breaking out the ESOS for the boss fights.

1. PA
H.Toughness
3. TWF
6. ITWF
9. IC:SLASH
12. Khopesh
15. GTWF
18. Maximize

Leaves me without Quicken, though I still have my hands for healing when I'm deep in it and can jump out to heal up if necessary.

So I guess that's the question....is Quicken worth losing the Khopesh collection?

Hey Gung,

Yup thats pretty much the best pure set up for a 2wf IMO. As to the ESOS sounds fine to me for the moment. Saying that they will put in glancing blows while moving again hopefully and then you can re evaluate ur needs. Maybe just go 2 handed full time for the moment - save u alot of backpack space and you likely dont even need to bother with any other dps weapons with that? Palis benefit alot more from 2wf than 2 handed so hopefully they put in some one handers that compare with it.

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[Nick_RC]

once again, Great build Groan

Noobs cry Nerf,pro's adapt

Wassup bro!

[Nick_RC]

Hey sup nick, I am actually having the same exact experience =D

My pally TR is level 17 now, I made a human 16 con 16 cha 18 str split, decided to splash the guy with 2 fighter levels- I liked the 2 bonus feats and haste boost early on.
The unyielding sovereignty+loh+umd pretty much makes the class one of the fastest to level in my experience.

I just can't wait to cap him out, see what epic sos+epic marilith+ lotd smites are gonna look like (who cares about the taint of evil, -1 to saves and 5 hp are worth the damage amp heh)

Eh weapons of good is just soooo nice for **** near any epic weapon if i was playing at cap i would go pure - either way agree so easy to level and tonnes of fun for sure.

N

[Aspenor]

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