Newbs Vs Vet's ye gods make it stop!

[anemephistus]

“ The call to walk the middle path is rarely
heard over the shouting of extremists” - Angel Barchild


There are so many differences between people, the culture they come from, what they hope for, what they dream of, and... how they play games. We have all focused so completely on the differences between each other lately, it has brought anger and frustration to every corner of Khyber.

I am the leader of a tiny guild of people that all know each other in real life. I have no stake in the Vet Vs New Player argument and whoever is right or wrong seems a matter of perspective rather than one of empirical evidence anyway.

All those who play do so for the love of gaming. They are sitting at a computer choosing to spend their time and possibly their money, they, in that regard, are the same as everyone else.

The root of the recent division is hidden within the expectation that others will see things as we see them ourselves. We have expected that experience would be awarded over sheer numbers, we thought that other players would would want our advice about how to be the most efficient by the numbers, and, we reasoned that the organization of guilds would continue in the same general fashion that it had been.

The expectations that we have were wrong. There has been a fundamental shift in guild mechanics. There is no going back now. So instead of concerning ourselves with others constantly, and taking a “The sky is falling” approach to how we react to this change lets do something different.

Keep playing, just as you always have. If you had an expectation that a cat would purr when you petted it (because it always has) and instead it barked and wagged it's tail you would be very surprised. Eventually though, you would just have to give up and say “ well, I guess I have a strange (possibly mutant) cat.” and move on. The point is, the cat is no less than it was before.

Be better than this to each other.



This thread was made with the input of Anemephistus and Angel Barchild

[samthedagger]

This concept of barking cats intrigues me. Tell me more and do come up with a D&D name for such a monster.

[Tenchihuahua]

**** hippies

they're everywhere

[Slink]

This thread was made with the input of Anemephistus and Angel Barchild

Did Tim put you up to this?
Besides what would Angel know about such things? She sets people on fire!

[learst]

Good call.

I'm also tired, yet puzzled by the increasing amounts of threads that leads to unecessary bashing/taunting especially those that involve guild renown.

[Skani]

This concept of barking cats intrigues me. Tell me more and do come up with a D&D name for such a monster.

Probably something similar to


source: Oglaf

[Valtruin]

Haha, flatbears, Oglaf is so win.

[anemephistus]

Did Tim put you up to this?
Besides what would Angel know about such things? She sets people on fire!

Angel belives in peace through superior firepower, (or bribing with cake doughnuts) . And no, Tim did not put me up to it.

[Valtruin]

“ The call to walk the middle path is rarely
heard over the shouting of extremists” - Angel Barchild


There are so many differences between people, the culture they come from, what they hope for, what they dream of, and... how they play games. We have all focused so completely on the differences between each other lately, it has brought anger and frustration to every corner of Khyber.

I am the leader of a tiny guild of people that all know each other in real life. I have no stake in the Vet Vs New Player argument and whoever is right or wrong seems a matter of perspective rather than one of empirical evidence anyway.

All those who play do so for the love of gaming. They are sitting at a computer choosing to spend their time and possibly their money, they, in that regard, are the same as everyone else.

The root of the recent division is hidden within the expectation that others will see things as we see them ourselves. We have expected that experience would be awarded over sheer numbers, we thought that other players would would want our advice about how to be the most efficient by the numbers, and, we reasoned that the organization of guilds would continue in the same general fashion that it had been.

The expectations that we have were wrong. There has been a fundamental shift in guild mechanics. There is no going back now. So instead of concerning ourselves with others constantly, and taking a “The sky is falling” approach to how we react to this change lets do something different.

Keep playing, just as you always have. If you had an expectation that a cat would purr when you petted it (because it always has) and instead it barked and wagged it's tail you would be very surprised. Eventually though, you would just have to give up and say “ well, I guess I have a strange (possibly mutant) cat.” and move on. The point is, the cat is no less than it was before.

Be better than this to each other.



This thread was made with the input of Anemephistus and Angel Barchild

Dude mutant cats awesome man I love cats but mutant cats holy moley that's pretty hardcore, I would like to Something somethin or another but I can't really think right now I have had quite a few too many mugs of ale and have been in such done gone in here and said something about mutant cats but hey, cats are cool. +rep

[Sogrin]

Hi Welcome

[Shaamis]

“ The call to walk the middle path is rarely
heard over the shouting of extremists” - Angel Barchild


There are so many differences between people, the culture they come from, what they hope for, what they dream of, and... how they play games. We have all focused so completely on the differences between each other lately, it has brought anger and frustration to every corner of Khyber.

I am the leader of a tiny guild of people that all know each other in real life. I have no stake in the Vet Vs New Player argument and whoever is right or wrong seems a matter of perspective rather than one of empirical evidence anyway.

All those who play do so for the love of gaming. They are sitting at a computer choosing to spend their time and possibly their money, they, in that regard, are the same as everyone else.

The root of the recent division is hidden within the expectation that others will see things as we see them ourselves. We have expected that experience would be awarded over sheer numbers, we thought that other players would would want our advice about how to be the most efficient by the numbers, and, we reasoned that the organization of guilds would continue in the same general fashion that it had been.

The expectations that we have were wrong. There has been a fundamental shift in guild mechanics. There is no going back now. So instead of concerning ourselves with others constantly, and taking a “The sky is falling” approach to how we react to this change lets do something different.

Keep playing, just as you always have. If you had an expectation that a cat would purr when you petted it (because it always has) and instead it barked and wagged it's tail you would be very surprised. Eventually though, you would just have to give up and say “ well, I guess I have a strange (possibly mutant) cat.” and move on. The point is, the cat is no less than it was before.

Be better than this to each other.



This thread was made with the input of Anemephistus and Angel Barchild

This is a very well written and thought-out post, and to most of it I agree.

Unfortunately, as we (society) is learning, that on-line social outlets and other online forms of communication allow people to act a lot different than in a face-to-face communication.

In society, we can be more tolerant of others behaviour, because the others behavious isnt as outrageous. If they showed the emo rage in real life, it would be a daily Jerry Springer Show.

What we are doing, is applying our RL tolerance to the online EMO Rage fits, and hence the current situation.

There are many times when I am on this forum and almost blow coffee all over the keyboard, but i step back, and realize its a different social outlet level than offline, and I let it go.

It is still fun to push peoples buttons sometimes

Shaamis likes to have fun too, you know.

[Gawna]

/vomit

[NXPlasmid]

Why can't we all just get along?

I fixed your typo. The answer is:

THIS IS KHYBER!!!!!

[Raegoul]

Good call.

I'm also tired, yet puzzled by the increasing amounts of threads that leads to unecessary bashing/taunting especially those that involve guild renown.

Hi Welcome

[Raegoul]

“ The call to walk the middle path is rarely
heard over the shouting of extremists” - Angel Barchild

How dare you characterise Khyberites as extermists!

There are so many differences between people, the culture they come from, what they hope for, what they dream of, and... how they play games. We have all focused so completely on the differences between each other lately, it has brought anger and frustration to every corner of Khyber.

Duh

I am the leader of a tiny guild of people that all know each other in real life. I have no stake in the Vet Vs New Player argument and whoever is right or wrong seems a matter of perspective rather than one of empirical evidence anyway.

That's nice

All those who play do so for the love of gaming. They are sitting at a computer choosing to spend their time and possibly their money, they, in that regard, are the same as everyone else.

No

The root of the recent division is hidden within the expectation that others will see things as we see them ourselves. We have expected that experience would be awarded over sheer numbers, we thought that other players would would want our advice about how to be the most efficient by the numbers, and, we reasoned that the organization of guilds would continue in the same general fashion that it had been.

Patronising rubbish

The expectations that we have were wrong. There has been a fundamental shift in guild mechanics. There is no going back now. So instead of concerning ourselves with others constantly, and taking a “The sky is falling” approach to how we react to this change lets do something different.

Vague Rubbish

Keep playing, just as you always have. If you had an expectation that a cat would purr when you petted it (because it always has) and instead it barked and wagged it's tail you would be very surprised. Eventually though, you would just have to give up and say “ well, I guess I have a strange (possibly mutant) cat.” and move on. The point is, the cat is no less than it was before.

Shallow Rubbish

Be better than this to each other.

It is better to commincate than to pontificate

This thread was made with the input of Anemephistus and Angel Barchild

So what we have here is the typical 'be nice' talk with the inevitible patronising, vague and shallow intolerance is that basically telling people to shut up.

It is far better that we communicate our feelings freely to resolve our conflicts and so learn how to accept each others differences. I would much rather people rant at each other than hold their refuse in their bowels and truly hate each other.

Hi Welcome

[Mts]

/boot

Sorry, I could have sworn I heard a 'share plz' in this thread.

Natural reflex.


Unfortunately, I have nothing constructive to add.

On the other hand, to the OP: Newbs vs Vets is just the way it is. Many people online and in real life have the innate need to feel superior to other human beings. Online its much easier, convenient and less intimidating to put others on a level lower than yourself behind the curtain of anonymity. Not being physically accountable for your actions here lets out the ugly gremlins in a persons personality. There is no changing it.

Do what I do and just let it roll off your back, take a newb under your wing and show him the ropes.

Ok so I just contradicted myself - I did have something constructive.

[phillymiket]

I was going to say yes I agree 100%

Then I noticed this is posted on Khyber

So I have to say you're 100% wrong.



Peace

[JasonJi72]

What about those of us noobs that have been playing for a while? Where do we stand? On one hand it's "don't come unless you know the high level quest like the back of your hand (healers excluded of course -- you will not be compensated for scrolls and wands used)", and on the other it's "how do I cast a spell?". It is very frustrating at times. I usually stop playing my characters sometime in Gianthold, and work on a different one, since you need epic gear and prior knowledge of a quest to join a party at that level. There are exceptions of course, but generally the whole experience leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I have about 10 characters level 10-15, but none capped.

The bottom line is that we are all here to have fun. What is the problem?

*turtles up against the incoming assault*

[Angel_Barchild]

So what we have here is the typical 'be nice' talk with the inevitible patronising, vague and shallow intolerance is that basically telling people to shut up.

It is far better that we communicate our feelings freely to resolve our conflicts and so learn how to accept each others differences. I would much rather people rant at each other than hold their refuse in their bowels and truly hate each other.

Hi Welcome

fine
/rant on

Quit bi*ching. People scream "you noobs get off my lawn" long enough and now the noobs have gone and gotten their own lawn, and it's bigger than yours. Boo Hoo, I am so sad.

Pages and pages of "this is why I don't pug" and "noobs are why I only do guild runs" not to mention thousands of post consisting of nothing more than "how the noob ruined my run" Fine people don't want to play with new players so they got together to form there own guild.

People should be happy right? They got what they wanted. But no, now the new players have something cool and we can't have that! No they must go suffer in obscurity untill we grudglingly allow them the privilege of running with us.

A guild full of new players does not affect you in any way. Nope not one little bit. They may have gone and done something diffrent from the standard method of building a guild, but again I say this does not affect you.

Go play the game. It's fun.

/rant off

There is that better?

P.S.
If you are not one of those players engaged in the above stated actions then this is not intended for you.

[Zippo]

not to mention thousands of post consisting of nothing more than "how the noob rouned my run"

To keep with the appropriate Khyber drama requirements of posting I would be remiss to not point out that what you meant was actually

ru·in (rōō'ĭn)
n.
Total destruction or disintegration, either physical, moral, social, or economic.

A cause of total destruction.

The act of destroying totally.

A destroyed person, object, or building.

The remains of something destroyed, disintegrated, or decayed. Often used in the plural: studied the ruins of ancient Greece.

v. ru·ined , ru·in·ing , ru·ins

So it is to be said on this day the 9th day of July in the year of our lord 2010

fixed in red