32 point monk build advice

[Jasam01]

Before I go and roll up a new monk, I was wondering if people here could see if theres anything obviously wrong/could be done better with this (rather standard pure dark) build.

Of note is that I would probably use crane instead of monkey as put here.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Male
(20 Monk) 
Hit Points: 314
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 17
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 23                   23
Dexterity            16                 18                   18
Constitution         16                 18                   18
Intelligence          8                 10                   10
Wisdom                8                 10                   12
Charisma              8                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    27
Bluff                -1                     3
Concentration         7                    37
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     4
Heal                 -1                     1
Hide                  7                    31
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                    10
Listen               -1                     3
Move Silently         3                    19
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                 -1                     1
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness


Level 4 (Monk)


Level 5 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Monk Jump I
Enhancement: Monk Jump II
Enhancement: Monk Tumble I
Enhancement: Monk Tumble II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Porous Soul
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Flame


Level 7 (Monk)
Enhancement: All-Consuming Flame
Enhancement: Winter's Touch


Level 8 (Monk)


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Touch of Death


Level 10 (Monk)


Level 11 (Monk)


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey II
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey III
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy II
Enhancement: Fists of Iron
Enhancement: Master of Stone


Level 13 (Monk)
Enhancement: Master of Bonfires


Level 14 (Monk)


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey IV


Level 16 (Monk)


Level 17 (Monk)


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Grandmaster of the Sun
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 19 (Monk)
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Serenity
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II

[DaggomaticDwarf]

As a halfling you should take advantage of their ac bonus. I see low dex and very low wis, Monks need wis for their Monk finishing moves and ac. Your DC will be low. I will admit I have almost no knowledge of the "Dark sided" Monk path as my Monk is a Light based lvl 16 TR'd atm

[jamkriz]

It seems that you are going for a stunning build. It's not that easy to do that effectively with both stunning blow and stunning fist. Stunning fist DC is based on Wis and Stunning Blow DC is based on Str. I'd go with stunning fist and drop stunning blow and swap out your strength for wis. As a dark sider your dps will be coming from crits due to stuns, ToD's and elemental strikes enhanced by your cursing blows.

[Hydro]

Very nice build probably what I would consider the most effective endgame DPS monk build. I do see you went good instead of neutral, I also did the same thing on my monk but generally for end game neutral does better since you can use the Litany with no penalty and you take less damage from mobs with evil weapons. For me it was a little bit RP and also the hope that someday we might have nice named epic wraps that require good alignment.

I would drop stunning fist and pick up another toughness instead, or you could swap feats around and get weapon focus blunt if you are planning on running epics and want the extra to hit if you have aggro. I would drop the wisdom enhancements, your will save will be fine and since your DC's will already be low the extra two wisdom won't male much of a difference. Also I would recommend only getting 2 of the animal path enhancements and going with either hound for the extra to hit or tortoise for the extra hp. The extra ki generation from crane is very little and it only works off a crit. In fire stance ki generation should be fine for trash and if you need a little more ki for bosses you can just pop on Oremi's neck. The negative to fort saves is just not worth it, especially for epic beholders.

Also stunning blow should be all you need for most quests and especially epics. The cooldown might be longer but as long as you have a caster throwing mass hold you should rarely need to stun anyways.

Lastely STR is this monks most important stat, it is you source of to hit and damage. There is absolutely no reason you should not start with a 16 str and put all level ups into it for this build. Unless you are going for an utility/solo monk build wisdom is only usefull for stunning fist DC's and Ac, stunning blow has better synergy with fire stance and Ac is next to useless endgame anyways.

[Dark-Gulrak]

What about a Dwarf Monk 32 points with 18 str 16 dex 16 con?

Dark Path, aiming for DPS, my only issue is he looks funny as monk fighting unarmed XD

And in such a build I take stunning blow to go with the max str I want to maintain along with stun wraps, do u think will they still work on high level elites and epics?

I want to make a high HP high DPS pure monk. I would have gone with WF but overcoming the healing penalty can be annoying. This build will have good saves of course and better spell saves as a dwarf.

Any opinions? XD

[Hydro]

Dwarf is a decent choice but WF and especially Halfling are much better choices.

Halflings are your best bet usually unless you want a build that can tank raid bosses. The halfling cunning enhancement is a nice increase in damage and its an extra +5 to hit that stacks with sneak attack items.

I personally went with WF because I like being the raid tank, but I will usually recommend halflings since they require less gear to be able to use power attack in epics.

A 35 DC Stunning blow is decent for elite quests and should land 80%+ anywhere except Amrath. In Amrath you are looking at probably a 50% chance of Stunning Blow landing. In epics a 35 DC is going to land 80% of the time easily.

Edit: Just saw that you said high HP monk, for that dwarf or wf are your best choices. The WF healing penalty isn't much of an issue at end game since healing amp items are available and the benefits of immunities and being able to be repaired definitely out weighs the negative. For either race I would plan on getting racial con 2, racial toughness 4, and tortoise path 2-3, also since the dwarf does not have to spend points on healing amp enhancements or WF power attack you have more points for Dwarven favorite which can increase your stunning fist Dc by up to 3. My Wf currently uses 1 of the tactics enhancements.

[Jasam01]

Thanks for all the responces. I intend for this to be the first character I play through to 20, so I'd like to spot what I could obviously do better from the offset.

On dropping one of the stunners for anouther toughness... Correct me if I'm wrong, but with the monk half level being applyed to stunning fist(10 +10(half level) + 0 = 20), It's DC should still be better then Blow (10 + 6 = 16), give or take a couple points from items, and have a much better cooldown.

On the Wisdom enhancement, this first one was purely for meeting progression. I've swapped some round for 10% less healing amp, 1 less animal path, and got the level 4 Guile/Cunning. I could swap out the other point of wis for the 4th animal path, but as it is I just can't seem to find anything better to replace them with.