July 5th Elite HOX PUG

[freshlysnipes]

Quik, Kennie, Brey, Hex and everyone else (please don't take offense if I missed your name) that ran the elite HOX pug last night. It was an interesting run to say the least. A couple of the healers were questioning if their aura were screwing with the puppies. There were a couple time they broke. Not to mention the 3 rounds of beholders. There were a few deaths, but we bounced back quick and took that flea and bee infested mutt down. Some decent named loot dropped and it was at least one person's 20th. Thanks all for the fun, yet interesting run.

[Quikster]

Quik, Kennie, Brey, Hex and everyone else (please don't take offense if I missed your name) that ran the elite HOX pug last night. It was an interesting run to say the least. A couple of the healers were questioning if their aura were screwing with the puppies. There were a couple time they broke. Not to mention the 3 rounds of beholders. There were a few deaths, but we bounced back quick and took that flea and bee infested mutt down. Some decent named loot dropped and it was at least one person's 20th. Thanks all for the fun, yet interesting run.

Yeah was a whacked run for sure. When the 3rd spawn of large beholders popped, adn she wasnt ready, no dogs were charmed, and no stones were out, i was getting a bit worried

They did another elite run latter that failed with similar issues. Basically the pups were all charmed quickly, songs were on them, but Mamma wasnt taking enough damage. Any other elite runs with similar issues?

[Towrn]

We did one about 4 days ago and didn't have any issues, but I can't remember the group makeup. Silly question, did you have a bard and were their songs near maxxed?

[Thelmallen]

We did one about 4 days ago and didn't have any issues, but I can't remember the group makeup. Silly question, did you have a bard and were their songs near maxxed?

I believe Hex was on her warchanter with maxxed songs on the run that failed. We also had another bard in the group who was a spellsinger but that bard wasn't buffing the dogs with DPS song.

[Quikster]

We did one about 4 days ago and didn't have any issues, but I can't remember the group makeup. Silly question, did you have a bard and were their songs near maxxed?

Had a bard. Songs were solid but not maxed. However, the bard had enough song to be roughly equivalent to doing the raid on elite when the cap was 16. Never did it take that long.

I wasnt in the center, but asked several times if the dogs had songs and was told they did, and it was the correct song.

Seems the ones we did last week were more on par with expectations. Not sure what happened in this run, or the one they did later (which i did not).

[Towrn]

I believe Hex was on her warchanter with maxxed songs on the run that failed. We also had another bard in the group who was a spellsinger but that bard wasn't buffing the dogs with DPS song.

I would say just dumb bad luck then, unless they broke something in the last 4 days (which isn't TOTALLY unreasonable)

[Erchamion]

I was one of the two healers in the center and yes it seemed like the dogs were "confused" some of the time not doing DPS, and also breaking far sooner than expected... Odd run, but success and fun was had by all I did use the Aura, but did not burst till all were in and present to DPS XY

[Qzipoun]

Completely unrelated note but some people mentioned using the cleric aura:

If you are a cleric and want to use your healing aura on the dogs, please don't stand right in front of the big dog, get bees and then complain about you having bees while you die, especially when the reply to your complaining is that there is a globe of invulnerability behind you...

Oh, and if you're the other cleric in the group, try to rez the first cleric before taking his spot and using your aura to heal the dogs... then be surprised that now YOU have bees and are dying... with a globe behind you

I realize healing aura is new, nice and exciting but seriously, if you can't stay alive, just sit back and heal.

/Rant off*

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*Yes, while you guys were having a fun elite run I failed hound twice over the weekend...

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Maybe someone put gh on the dogs and they broke early?

Garth

[moops]

I did not GH the dogs on my Run as the Bard. . .I don't know if Rev did. I have Max DPS songs, We usually run elite a few times a week when Revs Alts are off timer, and yesterday's runs were just weird compared to the others.

On the first run the charmed dogs were attacking each other. . .No dogs died, they just seemed to be doing even less damage then when we have run without a Bard on Elite.

The second run the damage seemed way down too, we joked that the Dogs attacks got nerfed too

Well at least our group was solid enough to survive a 17 min elite run. . .The second group was pretty solid as well--made it 16 mins b4 wiping, but, we had a different kind of center Tank who could not hold big dog aggro when the dogs broke, and I think that may have been the difference--but it was fun none the less

[Zennestia]

Maybe someone put gh on the dogs and they broke early?

Garth

I believe that the dogs should have been given gh.
Please see this post:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...47&postcount=7

[Qzipoun]

On the first run the charmed dogs were attacking each other. . .

This actually reminded me of something (from my THIRD run, which luckily for my sanity was successful). Aggro mechanics might have been tweaked a bit

In this run, there was a dog running on the outside chasing someone who didn't seem like they knew what to do with it (caster I believe... fuzzy memory) I smacked the dog to get its aggro and bring it to the center but he ignored me so I figured "meh, let him deal with it", as I start running away, SEVERAL seconds after I hit the dog I see it spin around and come for me.

There was also stone-pick-up-mix-up (aka someone says "stone here" picks it up and opens a trade window with the person that was designed to pick it up... who was also about to pick up the stone...) and I ended up having to go in the middle where I noticed two dogs getting charmed and attacking each other for a couple seconds then going to the mother.

At some point, somewhat recently (think while I was away from the game) something was changed with how often mobs checked their aggro list, maybe they extended the time some more in U5 for the sake of fixing lag?

[mudfud]

Maybe someone put gh on the dogs and they broke early?

Garth

I didnt read that thread someone posted to you Garth, but from my experience whether it was changed or not, giving GH on the dogs doesn't effect anything. The stones are on a set no save time roughly a few minutes.

[Quikster]

I didnt read that thread someone posted to you Garth, but from my experience whether it was changed or not, giving GH on the dogs doesn't effect anything. The stones are on a set no save time roughly a few minutes.

gh makes no difference, correct. I'm not sure what the issue was. After the first stones depleted we did have some beholder aura issues, but that's not what we were referring to. The initial set of charms didn't do the damage we are accustomed to.

[mudfud]

gh makes no difference, correct. I'm not sure what the issue was. After the first stones depleted we did have some beholder aura issues, but that's not what we were referring to. The initial set of charms didn't do the damage we are accustomed to.

Yeah it happens, always that one buff you think is on, but isn't and it really makes that huge difference.

[moops]

Yeah it happens, always that one buff you think is on, but isn't and it really makes that huge difference.

I did a check on the dogs both runs and they had the standard set of buffs that we've always used--our first run the Intim tank held the big dogs aggro, so the little dogs werent even taking damage.


I think QZipoun is right about an aggro reset--our dogs were hard to bring in from the outside, hard to get to fight the big dog, and when it became apparent that we were going to need more than 2 sets of stones, we kept dog alive on the inside and it would not attack zzyyzz right away after being charmed. Now if you have an intim that is not losing the dogs from the get go, a group won't face any of the issues that we did except the dogs attacking each other--which prob doesnt make a difference on hard or normal, but makes a difference on elite.

Anyway, made these 2 raids alot more fun after running them a million times.

[Maxwell1380]

Just in case it was overlooked, did anyone give the pups bear's and bull's? Seems to help a bit

[Thelmallen]

Just in case it was overlooked, did anyone give the pups bear's and bull's? Seems to help a bit

Yes

[moops]

Just an update--I Barded for an Elite run tonight, did as I always did in the previous run, and the run was 9 mins. The Dogs however were immediately on the Big dog--so perhaps sometimes there is still weird luck with the dogs not aggroing right away or aggroing on each other--yesterday I did another 15 min elite run, so who really knows? I should mention that these are groups where the people are generally all the same with one or two pugs--which was why I was shocked to have our runs jump from 9-10m mins up to 15+..

But Im happy to know that at least it was just a couple fluke runs back to back right after U5.