need help dwarf radiant servant

[Winter_storm]

From Tihocan dwarf cleric "Warpriest of Siberys" build I wanted to add the Radiant Servant enhancements, also added Vitality. The idea is a melee with some healing abilities. I made changes below but it seems not right.



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Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(1 Fighter / 19 Cleric)
Hit Points: 334
Spell Points: 1336

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 6
Will: 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 18
Dexterity 8 10
Constitution 18 21
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 16 25
Charisma 6 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 0 15
Bluff -2 -1
Concentration 8 28.5
Diplomacy -2 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -2 -1
Heal 3 9
Hide -1 0
Intimidate -2 -1
Jump 3 10
Listen 3 7
Move Silently -1 0
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 0 3
Spot 3 7
Swim 3 4
Tumble 0 1
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness

Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting

Level 3 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)

Level 5 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)

Level 6 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons

Level 7 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)

Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)

Level 9 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

Level 10 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 11 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 14 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 15 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 17 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 18 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 19 (Cleric)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)

Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Faith I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Concentration I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal I
Enhancement: Cleric Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality III
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II

[Winter_storm]

Disregard bad Idea. abilities way off. I believe he would be very gimped

[Xanstrollinoax]

Alright, to start with THF and WF:Slashing aren't going to help you in the least. While IC is nice on a melee this guy doesn't seem to be build for it. I would trade these 3 out for Spell pen 1+2 and Power Attack for the fighter feat. Personally it doesn't seem to be the worst build out there, however trading a 3 feats for +1 to hit, a minor proc chance on THF and double crit range, when you have him well set up to be a blade barrier user...it doesn't make sense. Those are the changes I would make, others feel free to pipe in.



Edit: My apologies I haven't been having a good day with details

[RobertVesco]

To Winter_Storm, it doesn't help a player by saying his build sucks when you don't add ways to improve it or a better alternative.

Well he was the original poster of the build.

By the way, did you base this on Tihocan's new player revised paths?
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=75

[Winter_storm]

originally as melee cleric and yes for Tihocan. he only lvl four for now. I didn't see a build for Servant but tried with the build I had already created but noticed the abilities was wrong for healing. Charisma is low to start off with. I'll change the feats suggested. will repost in a while with the changes

[Winter_storm]

Ok made some changes but kept the feats. Don't really want a heal-bot. Wanted to do a dwarf cleric that can fight, use the cleric abilities to help with some healing, use cleric spells on monsters, and rejuvenate spell points to casters.

Also note it just dawned on me that I didn't mention where the original builds come from, where credit is do. Wasn't my intention, too focused on how it was done than where it came from. Sorry will add it for now on posted builds.

[unbongwah]

Do Radiant Servants need high CHA if they don't care about turning undead? At first I thought Divine Might (which reqs base CHA 14) was a mandatory pre-req, but then I realized it's just one of the possible pre-reqs.

I agree WF Slash is a poor feat and PA > THF (if you can only take one). I would take Empower Heal by lvl 6: it's one of RS's mandatory pre-reqs and I don't see any reason to delay taking it that long.

Oh, and half-points in skills do nothing; so put that fighter point into Jump not Concentration.

[Bekki]

How would Swapping Paladin for fighter work?
Paladin is more Cha. based and could fit very well.
They also have toughness, and Don't they have their on haste boost?

[unbongwah]

Wow, talk about rezzing an old thread! Look at how little I knew 2 years ago!

How would Swapping Paladin for fighter work?

Badly, IMHO: you lose the extra feat, tower shield prof, and Haste Boost I from ftr 1; and gain a weaksauce aura & a single Smite. You also have to be Lawful Good instead of True Neutral, which has a few disadvantages.

Paladin is more Cha. based and could fit very well.

Only if you take more pally lvls, which waters down your cleric abilities. You gain Divine Grace at pally lvl 2, which is a nice bonus to saves if you've put some pts into CHA; also LoH, but its healing will be so minimal (since it scales w/pally lvls) as to be negligible (esp. on a Radiant Servant, who sneeze bigger heals). And there's also a lot of overlap between cleric & pally abilities - Divine Favor, Divine Might, etc. - making them somewhat redundant. You could do a heavily-multiclassed pally / cleric, but then you're firmly into flavor (read as: gimped) build territory.

[Bekki]

Wow, talk about rezzing an old thread! Look at how little I knew 2 years ago!

Badly, IMHO: you lose the extra feat, tower shield prof, and Haste Boost I from ftr 1; and gain a weaksauce aura & a single Smite. You also have to be Lawful Good instead of True Neutral, which has a few disadvantages.
Only if you take more pally lvls, which waters down your cleric abilities. You gain Divine Grace at pally lvl 2, which is a nice bonus to saves if you've put some pts into CHA; also LoH, but its healing will be so minimal (since it scales w/pally lvls) as to be negligible (esp. on a Radiant Servant, who sneeze bigger heals). And there's also a lot of overlap between cleric & pally abilities - Divine Favor, Divine Might, etc. - making them somewhat redundant. You could do a heavily-multiclassed pally / cleric, but then you're firmly into flavor (read as: gimped) build territory.

OOPS!

I have Dwarven cleric who has been eternally at Lvl 7.
And Radiant servant seemed the best way to go.
So I was looking for a good build for him.

I don't want to go too far that route. The one Fighter Lvl actually will
Even work with his history, in P&P he was a fighter turned cleric.
(An unfortunate encounter with a cursed ring of Trollish regeneration... Read Troll.)
Yeah, that was Uhhh very not good. So when he was saved by the church
He became a cleric. So....

Do you have or know of something a tad more current?

[unbongwah]

The fundamentals of playing a cleric haven't changed much: you're either a WIS-based caster who focuses on metamagic feats; or a STR-based battlecleric focused on melee feats; or...something else. First you figure out your primary focus, then you hunt for the right build.