Twitch was not fixed by removing glancing blows.

[KillEveryone]

It just wasn't. You can still twitch. You just removes some of their DPS.

I'd also like to see a change in the attacks. Prior to the change Twitch out DPS'd Standing because the time between attacks for the final two attacks in the THF attack chain were slower than the first two attacks. If this was to change to making the time between attack 1 and two slightly longer and the time between 3 and 4 and between 4 and 1 slightly less that would remove the advantage of twitch style while not completely punishing the mobile combat

Aesop

It is a better idea to stop twitch than removing glancing blows while moving.

By removing glancing blows while moving, you have penalized those of us that were moving but not trying to twitch.

I like this game because of the active combat. That is the bigest seller of this game to me. When I'm playing, I'm moving to flank and mitigate some damage so I'm not going crazy with the resource usage or if I'm in a group I'm not a drain on anyone that is playing healer.

About the only time I'm not moving is on a raid boss for the group gank. All other mobs I'm moving and flanking, not twitching.

Your idea, while removing some DPS from those that twitch, did not stop the actual pratice of twitch.

[Peo]

Quick question, what happened to glancing blows?

Change log says some weapons now have it, other parts say GB is gone. >.>

[Krag]

Quick question, what happened to glancing blows?

Change log says some weapons now have it, other parts say GB is gone. >.>

GTHF no longer allows glancing blows when moving. In other words you have to stay perfectly still to get your glancing blows.

[GhoulsTouch]

Anybody who tries to utterly remove twitching needs to sit on it.

[Consumer]

Those that are not good enough to keep up with twitchers should just suck it up.

Evolve or die.

[Grimdiegn]

Twitch play is not a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed. It's been here since launch and is a legitimate tactic that penalizes bonus to hit for extra DPS.

[KillEveryone]

But they removed glancing blows to stop twitch play.

[Nailog]

Twitch play is not a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed. It's been here since launch and is a legitimate tactic that penalizes bonus to hit for extra DPS.

That's why twitch play shouldn't exist.

You shouldn't get more DPS moving a foot every other swing than standing still and going through the full attack chain. The whole point of having an attack chain that gets longer as you level up is to increase your DPS as you level up.

If the first two attacks give the most DPS, remove the rest of the chain completely.

[KillEveryone]

I'm not talking about removing the chain completly, just change it so that the swings at the beginning of the chain take slightly longer than the swings at the end of the chain...basically the opposite timing of how the chain works now.

Since the Dev's are trying to get twitch players to stop, then it wasn't intended from the start. It just took them this long to get around to doing something about it.

Look how long some stuff has been in the game but hasn't been fixed or changed.

[theb]

But they removed glancing blows to stop twitch play.

How do you know this?

Since the Dev's are trying to get twitch players to stop...

How do you know this?

[Crazyfruit]

By removing glancing blows while moving, you have penalized those of us that were moving but not trying to twitch.

Yup I tr'd my (main weapon) quarterstaff character into a monk because of this change. She never stopped moving. For those of you who've haven't tried twitching with a Quarterstaff - different animations, almost no DPS increase.

Reading the forums it seems twitching is still popular, just people aren't taking the THF feats anymore. Have you guys seen people still doing this ingame?

[Cylinwolf]

I've never really understood why so many people were up-in-arms about Turbine never removing twitching when as a personal viewpoint (of someone who has THF characters) I've always thought that fixing the THF animation and removing twitching to bring characters to the same level was ideal.

I do see that those two things have to be mutual, though. It's pointless to do one without the other.

[GhoulsTouch]

I'm not talking about removing the chain completly, just change it so that the swings at the beginning of the chain take slightly longer than the swings at the end of the chain...basically the opposite timing of how the chain works now.

You think this is good for twf too?

[Angelus_dead]

How do you know this?

BTW, answering that question would be against the forum rules. No one is allowed to tell you.

[Angelus_dead]

Twitch play is not a broken mechanic that needs to be fixed. It's been here since launch and is a legitimate tactic that penalizes bonus to hit for extra DPS.

Ok, here's something fun to try.

Pretend that there had never been "twitch attacking" in DDO, and that the speed of a character swinging was completely unaffected by how you move and stand. Write a suggestion to convince the devs to add "twitch combat" to THF as if it were a new idea of yours.

[GhoulsTouch]

Pretend that the DDO animators had not screwed up and accidently made the time between attacks different throughout the animations, so that your moving and standing made no difference to how fast you could swing. Write a suggestion to convince the devs to add "twitch combat" to THF as if it were a new idea of yours.

Being GTHF before gave bonuses to hit with glancing blows while moving, I think it was intentional. You are taking a neg to hit after all if you don't have spring attack.

[Consumer]

Yup I tr'd my (main weapon) quarterstaff character into a monk because of this change. She never stopped moving. For those of you who've haven't tried twitching with a Quarterstaff - different animations, almost no DPS increase.

Reading the forums it seems twitching is still popular, just people aren't taking the THF feats anymore. Have you guys seen people still doing this ingame?

Played with Rahl's might and Dreamspitter on my Barb for a while, the twitching animation for Q staff is just the running animation repeated over and over.

My newest Barb is TWF but will have Carnifex up to level 9 and a +4 MoPg Falchion until Greensteel is made, he will twitch all the time unless I switch to Khopeshs or picks for a bit of fun.

[Angelus_dead]

Being GTHF before gave bonuses to hit with glancing blows while moving, I think it was intentional. You are taking a neg to hit after all if you don't have spring attack.

Yes, but can you make a suggestion as to why THF twitch attacking should be added to a game that doesn't have it?

The GTHF bonus to glancing blows while moving was added to help characters fight better while moving from place to place, if they wanted to be somewhere else for some reason.

[GhoulsTouch]

The GTHF bonus to glancing blows while moving was added to help characters fight better while moving from place to place, if they wanted to be somewhere else for some reason.

What? It was a way to fight a horde on the run man. Point blank.

[Consumer]

Yes, but can you make a suggestion as to why THF twitch attacking should be added to a game that doesn't have it?

Increased player skill leading to increased DPS, this kind of thing has never been implemented before!