is twf not the best now?

[maddmatt70]

my bard im currently at level 11 in this build and twf, so thf will give me better hit rate?
i think it would be nice to be able to spare a feat. if thf isnt that far behind i might make the switch
currently im using a +5 shock and +2 holy rapier. What are the advantages thf vs twf though i dont know exactly
for a bard. I plan on staying pure. Madmatts rabiez build sounds like the kind of build that i like and want. i wanna be able to dable in a little bit of everything but he has a twf. so i figured that was best

The answer really is both thf and twf styles are equally good and competitive with one another so choose whatever you feel comfortable with and want to play.

Rabiez is an excellent build it is a little bit gear intensive so I recommend for a player with less gear and/or newer instead of taking the quicken feat choose toughness.

[LordPiglet]

Vid...regardless of whether you go TWF or THF after level 9/10/11, use a Great Axe/Sword or Falcion early on. ESPECIALLY with the new TWF 'fix'. You want to HIT something in order to do damage... THF will give you that. As far as comparing the 2 above level 12...

My Level 16 Bard (Does NOT have GTWF as of yet) seems to get a lot of 'misses' at level 16 quests. I'm assuming these are the off Hand. I've done a lot of different combinations in each hand to test this.. Paralyzers, Curse Weapons, Elemental Weapons.... trying to see what hits and what doesn't.

I believe that at level 17 (Will pick up GTWF then) I should see a big difference, as the chance for the off hand to Hit goes up.

I plan on keeping that particular Bard TWF. I also have a THF Bard (using Master's Touch) Everything seems fine on him, the few times I've run him in Upper level Raids.

GTWF will increase your chance to get an offhand attack (to 80%), Oversized two weapon Fighting OTWF will decrease your dual wielding penalty if you're using a medium weapon in your off hand (i.e. a rapier).

[Vidfinnx]

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Bard) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 612 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 15
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             12                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    26
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         6                    25
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                    25
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     3
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  6                    28
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               5                    26
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                4                     4
Use Magic Device      5                    26

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I


Level 2 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II


Level 10 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III


Level 11 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic III


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III


Level 13 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack III


Level 14 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song IV


Level 15 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Music of Makers
Enhancement: Bard Music of the Dead


Level 16 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic IV


Level 17 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 18 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 19 (Bard)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Musical Prodigy
Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery III

yeah i chose toughness, i currently as u can see from my build in previous post only have extend fit in there. you would reccomend maximise though? i want a warchanter that is able to at least backup heal decently. so i guess i will just stick with the twf for now, btw how come maximise instead of empower healing? im new so maybe can explain heh appreciate the help guys, once i break 1000sp will they still be tight for providing this sort of thing? should i TR and change myself around because this is what i have been currently running im at level 11 right now,

[Krag]

yeah i am a new player and i was wondering is there downsides to taking thf? am i ok at staying twf?
even if i do not take improved critical and take maximize or quicken instead?

THF have better start: better to-hit, better damage, better named drop (Carnifex), no difference in attack speed. If I were to create a new character with zero gear, I would go THF.

[Rav'n]

GTWF will increase your chance to get an offhand attack (to 80%), Oversized two weapon Fighting OTWF will decrease your dual wielding penalty if you're using a medium weapon in your off hand (i.e. a rapier).

I know...

[Vidfinnx]

are weighted weapons ****? i thought about switching to them