Elitism.....or is it?

[Ssmooth]

I keep seeing the word "elitist" being thrown around a lot nowadays. From all of the different contexts it's been used, I gather that you are an elitist if:

1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.
2. You filter out players when forming a group.
3. You use the word noob.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.
5. You don't suck.
6. You have expectations from puggers.
7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
8. You don't suck.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.
10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.


That is all. Maybe.

[Internetisrsbsn]

That's to be expected from the WoW crowd. I have played WoW to level 80 so I know that many people do not listen to you, even if you are the group leader. The only exception is guild runs, because you will get kicked or at least never invited to a guild run again if you refuse to listen.

Also, there are a lot of kids playing WoW. Most of them will be immature and call you a "noob" or "f4gg0t" if you try to tell them how to run a quest efficiently.

[ArgentMage]

You forgot:

- You don't whine and stomp your feet and threaten to leave the game each time
an Update is published, you simply play the game and have fun.

Yikes, I might be Elitist.

[tanzer]

i may not be elite or even an elitist, but for the most part, i fit that list.. with the exception of hating myddo (worst addition ever conceived..)

i cant stand pugging because no one listens... you blatantly tell the caster to "wait here, i will pull everything, spam firewalls when im back in view"

or when you say "dont touch that alter, it will spawn such and such before we prep"

or some jack off just doesn't realize that the spinning blade thing sitting right in front of his face WILL KILL HIM

[Internetisrsbsn]

or some jack off just doesn't realize that the spinning blade thing sitting right in front of his face WILL KILL HIM

Some people stand in traps if they have a high reflex save just for fun, but anyone with a low reflex save and low hp doing that is stupid.

[Vint]

You forgot:

- You don't whine and stomp your feet and threaten to leave the game each time
an Update is published, you simply play the game and have fun.

Yikes, I might be Elitist.

I only threaten to leave when I have to group with Noobs.

P.S. I Love Beagles, I hate Whiners

[kaidendager]

Some people stand in traps if they have a high reflex save just for fun, but anyone with a low reflex save and low hp doing that is stupid.

This happened to me in Threnal Elite a couple days ago. A rogue was bragging about his evasion and having fire resistance so he didn't have to listen to the star about not walking on the grates. Of course he walks on to the grate and gets hit once to bring his hp down to just a sliver. He laughs and says "well everyone rolls a 1 sometimes, can I get a heal" to the FVS (me). I opened the trade window, gave him 500 plat and told him to buy some pots if he wanted to show off his 1337 sk1llz'.

Yes I healed him eventually, but not before making him sit out a few rounds of combat. (There was no threat of losing the 10% as he had already died trying to solo the out of the way oozes with his new shiny muckbane he got by "totally ripping off some n00b")

Moral of the story to the non-elitists (aka f2p), Con is important despite your totally awesome 20 dex build and Hubris is a ***** and she has a long memory.

[Thrudh]

You forgot:

- You don't whine and stomp your feet and threaten to leave the game each time
an Update is published, you simply play the game and have fun.

Yikes, I might be Elitist.

That is the opposite of elitest... Believe me, the casual players weren't the ones stomping their feet and crying DOOOOOOMMMM

[Renegade66]

I think you're mixing terms a bit in your definitions. There is certainly a distinct difference between being "elite" and being an "elitist". You can be elite and not an elitist. You can be an elitist yet not elite. You can be both or you can be neither.

Elite:
1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.



5. You don't suck.

7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
8. You don't suck.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.


Elitist:

2. You filter out players when forming a group.
3. You use the word noob.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.

6. You have expectations from puggers.



10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.

[Thrudh]

There are good players and there are uber-leet powergamers...

I used the world elitest to describe ARROGANT players... Yes, most of them are also good, but many of them have forgotten what it is to be new... Many of them do not teach, but fly into rages when newbs don't immediately know what to do...

Also many of them take this GAME way too seriously... They really think they are pure awesome because they can sit their ass in a chair and pound on a keyboard for hours and hours and hours.

Those are the "elites" that I do not like... which may not describe anyone in this thread...

The OPs list sounds like just a good player... (Although I'm not too keen on the myDDO stuff and excluding players, I don't view that as a total negative).

[Yajerman01]

I keep seeing the word "elitist" being thrown around a lot nowadays. From all of the different contexts it's been used, I gather that you are an elitist if:

1. You think you know all quest/game knowledge and use it poorly.
2. You filter out players when forming a group because you feel more secure with elitist like yourself.
3. You use the word noob all to often for various reasons without a notion as to why.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game because you can scan to see if that person has all the items that are required by your thought process to make up a good character.
5. You don't suck in your mind because your uber.
6. You have expectations from puggers to play above and beyond even when they state that its their first time and are unfamiliar to your tactics as you zerg off.
7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot which doesnt make you an elitist but rather a well rounded and organized group
8. You don't suck, again stated because elitist really dotn have ten items to describe elitist ways.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot and then brag about it over and over and over and over and over and......
10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know that even though your were directing them in sign language they shoudl have telepathic powers..


That is all. Maybe.

corrections in red

[Thrudh]

I think you're mixing terms a bit in your definitions. There is certainly a distinct difference between being "elite" and being an "elitist". You can be elite and not an elitist. You can be an elitist yet not elite. You can be both or you can be neither.

Elite:
1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.



5. You don't suck.

7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
8. You don't suck.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.


Elitist:

2. You filter out players when forming a group.
3. You use the word noob.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.

6. You have expectations from puggers.



10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.

Good post. Yes, elite means excellent to me, elitest means you look down on people not as good as you.

[Thrudh]

I keep seeing the word "elitist" being thrown around a lot nowadays. From all of the different contexts it's been used, I gather that you are an elitist if:

1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.
2. You filter out players when forming a group.
3. You use the word noob.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.
5. You don't suck.
6. You have expectations from puggers.
7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
8. You don't suck.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.
10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.


That is all. Maybe.

Again, you should point out that you're talking about elite raids and epic... That's an important qualifier... If you use myDDO to screen for Stormcleave or Ritual Sacrifice, etc. then you are not very elite..

[Vynnt]

Elitism just is when people judge others or look down on others for not being elite. You can be elite and not be an elitist.

Although, I confess. I am an Elitist.

ps: myDDO is awesome.

[Purgatory]

I put same 3 tings in my lfm when im on any class doing any quest

Bring your own healing, Know your way, No neg10xp

Yet about 75% of the time the random puggers failes atleast 2 of the 3 and when they get called out on it

They yell "Elitest"


If getting things done is a elitest then guilty as charged.

[TheHolyDarkness]

I keep seeing the word "elitist" being thrown around a lot nowadays. From all of the different contexts it's been used, I gather that you are an elitist if:

1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.
2. You filter out players when forming a group.
3. You use the word noob.
4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.
5. You don't suck.
6. You have expectations from puggers.
7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
8. You don't suck.
9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.
10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.


That is all. Maybe.

The way I see it, much of what's on your list is simply the mark of the veteran. From there, there are two types of veterans; the elitist, and the paragon leader, and these are less reflective of how good your character is (which is obtained simply by playing long enough), and more to do with who you are in real life.

From your list, the mark of the Vet is like this:

1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.
2. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.
3. You don't suck.
4. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.
5. You don't suck.
6. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.

From there, the elitist adds the following qualities:

----
1. Since you have quest/game knowledge and use it, you assume that you know everything about every class, build, and situation. When asked about a class you have zero experience with, you gladly boast to newbies and veterans alike of the one "true" way to play it.
2. You're prone to hold grudges and play blame games about anything, including against other objectively good players. Bonus points if you stereotype against their entire "inferior" guild as well. The bigger the guild, the bigger the bonus points.
3. You filter out players when forming a group based on said grudges.
4. You use the word noob. And beyond.
5. You have expectations from puggers that they are automatically as veteran as you are.
6. You can't stop talking about yourself and how awesome you are.
7. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to directions that you could've been more clear on.
8. You act as though you are (and always have been) incapable of messing up, and never apologize or empathize.
----


Alternatively, the paragon leader adds these qualities:

----
1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it, but realize that there is always more to learn. You don't pretend to be a true expert of builds you have not fully related with.
3. If someone slights you socially, you are capable of reconciliation. Especially if the subject is an objectionably good player. **** happens, and any number of things can cause a drop in someone's otherwise reliable performance. Such as wife aggro.
2. You may filter out players when forming a group solely based on needs and configurations only. If someone has a friend, you do your best to assign him priority. If someone messages you asking why you're not letting them in, you do your best to explain in a manner that will not generate enmity.
3. You don't fling insults lightly.
4. You have expectations from puggers, but screen for newbies first. If one raises their hand, you try to be as clear and patient as possible. Bonus points if you even write the instructions down instead of merely talking them, knowing that complex instructions are easier to follow that way.
5. No matter how many characters you have or how much loot you've obtained, you refuse to toot your own horn. You are ever humble, never forgetting that you were a noob once. Bonus points for being this way when starting a new character whose playstyle is still foreign to you.
6. If a newbie botches a quest anyway, you can tell the maliciously disobedient noob from the sincerely trying newb who simply made a single mistake. Mistakes happen. Miscommunication (especially when you're the fish out of water) happens. You move on so long as he appears to have learned something.
7. You are ever humble, remembering that you too were a noob once. Recognizing that even now, you are capable of making mistakes.
----

Its all about attitude. Anyone can become a vet. Including those who are dislikable a-holes in real life, who troll to hide their own feelings of inadequacy in real life.

I speak from the perspective of someone who in real life has the opportunity to interact with a lot of...professional power players. People of real life success have starkly different attitudes from many of the "virtual" successes I noticed. Not everyone, but enough for me to notice.


Mastery over an MMORPG does not equate into having class.

~TheHolyDarkness Out~

[Vint]

I put same 3 tings in my lfm when im on any class doing any quest

Bring your own healing, Know your way, No neg10xp

Yet about 75% of the time the random puggers failes atleast 2 of the 3 and when they get called out on it

They yell "Elitest"


If getting things done is a elitest then guilty as charged.

Whata Jerk. We should group together.

[Purgatory]

Again, you should point out that you're talking about elite raids and epic... That's an important qualifier... If you use myDDO to screen for Stormcleave or Ritual Sacrifice, etc. then you are not very elite..

What if your TR8 trying to get completionsit and dont want to solo but also dont want neg10xp every time u do a Stormcleave or Ritual Sacrifice. That mean you still suck for not wanting neg10xp from the guy that has 105 hp and no hvy forst at lvl 14?

[Thrudh]

What if your TR8 trying to get completionsit and dont want to solo but also dont want neg10xp every time u do a Stormcleave or Ritual Sacrifice. That mean you still suck for not wanting neg10xp from the guy that has 105 hp and no hvy forst at lvl 14?

I would suggest that you don't PUG if you get mad if someone dies.

I have TR guys, I take the first 5 that want to come along, and I deal with occasionally (probably 20% of the time) losing the 10% due to someone dieing...

However, your point is valid... I guess it depends on how you decline them... Also, I would change your LFM... That "no -10% xp" isn't very clear... I would change it to "no deaths" so people know you will not tolerate anyone rolling a 1...

[Talon_Moonshadow]

1. You have quest/game knowledge and use it.

What exactly do you mean by this? Exploits? Telling others to play a certain way because you think it works best? Then yes.

2. You filter out players when forming a group.

I'd say yes.

3. You use the word noob.

Definately.

4. You think MyDDO is a benefit to the game.

If you mean screening...yes

5. You don't suck.

The fact that this is a mentioned in this context points to a yes in my book.

6. You have expectations from puggers.

Probably

7. Your in a guild that is able to complete difficult achievments that other guilds cannot.

Like what? This game ain't that hard. The fact that you think it takes a good guild to complete any quest....yes

8. You don't suck.

Mentioned twice......now there is no doubt... yes.

9. You have grinded quests to get specific loot.

You found one that I will say no on...grats.
(but if you expect everyone else to, it becomes a yes)

10. You get upset with NOOBS not listening to clear directions and let them know.

Yes. And the fact that you feel you have to give those clear directions makes it certain.



Then there is the fact that you felt necessary to post this to begin with.


But, don't take it the wrong way.....from what I see you are proud of it.