elf gish for analisis

[thecleric]

well, for many months, i've dreamed with a elf gish....
so, i start to build it....
can you, players for this game that i love help me to "tune up" this build?

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Hiand Lancaster
Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Male
(4 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 14 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 230
Spell Points: 1152 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 9
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         16                    18
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               1                     1
Bluff                -1                    -1
Concentration         4                    21
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        7                    28
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  5                     7
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                    12
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         5                     5
Open Lock             5                     5
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     4
Search                7                    31
Spot                  3                     6
Swim                  2                     4
Tumble                5                     5
Use Magic Device      3                     9

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Minos Legens \par Health Necklace of Protection \par Dusk Heart \par Stormreaver's Napkin \par Ogre Power Belt of Greater False Life \par Rahkir's Ring \par Gloves of Disabling \par Visor of Minute Seeing \par Clever Visor of Minute Seeing \par Health Ring of Greater False Life \par Cloak of Resistance \par Dexterous Gloves of Disabling \par Wise Necklace of Underwater Action \par Mithral Chain Shirt of Heavy Fortification \par  \par Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Search I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand Mastery I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Trip
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation II


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 10 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Dragonmark of Shadow
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy II


Level 13 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Elven Arcanum IV


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 16 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 17 (Wizard)


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy III


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy III
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV

[LAWPRE]

mostly looks good but I might take Rogue 2 a little earlier in order to get more benefit from Evasion.

Your Spot should be much closer to your Search and your listen should be closer to the 10-15 range. Listen and Spot are used to "start" the process but listen can be much lower and still be effective. However, if you cannot "spot" the trip wire, you cannot "search" for the rest of the trap. Unfortunately, Spot is a Wis skill. So, it cannot be 8- it has to be at least 12.

You did not state if you have Drow or if you have 32 point build. Since you want Mark of Shadow, Drow would not be as helpful but 32 point build would allow you to put 4 points into Wis as not have to shift points from INT. Still, Drow have +2 to Dex, Int and Cha. This allows for a bit better distrubition and the passive SR can be nice against Hold, Dance and such.

My network is being weird so I can get onto forums but not compendium. IF Mark of Shadow is available to human, you can have an effective INT of 16 because you get 4 bonus point at first level. This would allow for the "extra" points to go into Wis as well.

You do not have what spells you were thinking about taking so I cannot comment on that. This is important if you are doing a lot of soloing as spell choices will be vastly different from group play.

[JeffreyGator]

I'm not sure why you are taking 3 feats for dragonmarks to replicate spells that you can cast and that you may only use situationally.

I have taken the elf dragon marks on a ranger to get perma-displaced but my elf wizard uses spell points instead. And as a wizard you have plenty of level 2 and 3 spell slots.

Most people have not enjoyed the level 6 shadow walk spells implementation and so I can see not spending either a spell slot or a feat to get it.

I did find this much easier to accomplish as a 34 point toon than as 28 but that's just an extra couple of strength points.

I haven't played much with improved trip but like the idea and certainly the npcs use to great effect. I suspect that for pcs the npc trash might almost die to quickly for it to matter but then paralyzers are still helpful so it might fit into that category.

Your skills seem ok.

Mostly you just need to max concentrate, search and disable. UMD would the 4 the choice to get to use healing wands etc.

Once you know where the boxes are spot isn't required and when you don't know that's why you have monks and barbarians to blunder into them.

[thecleric]

well, i'm at level 4 now and i'm thinking about remove the dragonmark for another feat and forget the dragonmark stuff, because i don't see a utility for that spells on my character.
Well, i play with a friend, a cleric. We always play together and i'm the "meele" character of "group".
the trap focus is the "third" focus of this character, i'm thinking how i can improve the meele part of it, because spells of the 7th level of wizard are capable to cause some damage.
any suggestions to improve the meele part.
any suggestions of feats? I will remove the three dragonmarks for the build and i don't know which feat i need to take.

sorry about my bad english and thanks!!

[LAWPRE]

I did not see power attack or cleave on your list. Also, you can take toughness more than once.


At this point, I need to see a spell list. Remember, Bull's Strength, Cat's Grace and Bear Endurance are COMBAT buffs. Also, Niac's cold ray and Scorching Ray are really nice early on. Even though, Burning Hands is a CC spell, they have to be close in order to use it.

One finaly thing, no matter what level you are, doors are your friend. After all, MOST mobs cannot crawl under or jump over you in order to get a flank.

[thecleric]

that's the update on the build:

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Hiand Lancaster
Level 20 True Neutral Elf Male
(4 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 14 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 230
Spell Points: 1115 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 10
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             14                 17                   18
Dexterity            12                 12                   14
Constitution         14                 14                   14
Intelligence         16                 18                   20
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma              8                  8                    8

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               1                  2                    2
Bluff                -1                 -1                   -1
Concentration         4                 22                   22
Diplomacy            -1                 -1                   -1
Disable Device        7                 28                   28
Haggle                3                  3                    3
Heal                 -1                 -1                   -1
Hide                  5                  6                    6
Intimidate           -1                 -1                   -1
Jump                  6                 12                   12
Listen               -1                 -1                    1
Move Silently         5                  6                    6
Open Lock             5                  6                    6
Perform              n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                  5                    5
Search                7                 28                   30
Spot                  3                  7                    9
Swim                  2                  4                    4
Tumble                5                  6                    6
Use Magic Device      3                  5                    5

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Twilight Mithral Full Plate of Stability \par Minos Legens \par  \par Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Spell (1): Acid Spray
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Mage Armor
Spell (1): Shield
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (1): Summon Monster I
Spell (1): Burning Hands
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Cat's Grace
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Aerenal Elf Melee Damage I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Scorching Ray
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II


Level 7 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness
Spell (3): Acid Blast
Spell (3): Displacement
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 10 (Wizard)
Spell (3): Haste
Spell (3): Heroism


Level 11 (Wizard)
Spell (4): Stoneskin
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (4): Ice Storm
Spell (4): Acid Rain
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation III


Level 13 (Wizard)
Spell (5): Ball Lightning
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy II
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Spell (5): Cone of Cold
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation IV


Level 17 (Wizard)
Spell (6): Chain Lightning
Spell (6): Greater Heroism
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy III
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (6): Mass Bull's Strength
Spell (6): Mass Cat's Grace


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration III


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Deadly Energy III
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV

the spell list is here, but i will search for every spell to add on my spellbook.....

I'm at level 5 now, rogue2/wizard 3 =)

[Kriogen]

Max UMD. UMD is better then all other skills combined.

Elf is more TWF compatible.

Your spells with DC (CC, insta-kill) will not really work. You can drop Heighten Spell feat. Focus on buffs and damage.

[LAWPRE]

looks like you get the idea with spells.

Also, look for gear that has potency - that will increase damage that your spells do as well as gear that adds to a specific type. I am only 4th Level but with Fire Staff and tier I of the fire line, I am taking out the Ice Spiders in Miz Peak with one shot in most cases. I took three or four for the Ice Queen.

Finally, if you have more than one arcane caster, try to plan spells with him or her. That way, you can "Buff" and they can "CC" or vice versa.