I beg you! Give me a reason!

[gott_ist_tot]

I find myself using haste pots on my melee toons up to a point of spending 100-200k plat daily and I can't afford it. Is there a viable melee build into which I could squeeze 5 wizard levels for haste? Any reasoning which would let me remain sane, and with a toon not gimped? Or not gimped much?

I want to stop soon. Wall of fire, while awesome mid-levels is nigh useless end-game. For damage dealing I'd probably be better off with divine side for BB. But the same problem here: no haste.

I don't want to go as far as going for reconstructs. While nice, these would put me in the Divine Power clicky addict category and I'm looking for a build allowing me to have good beholder to-hit.

I think 12wiz/6/2 could maintain a high to-hit even without DP clickies. The thing is, can wiz levels be brought down any further?

Then again... caster level is just this, caster level, innit? So, my rgr/ftr/whatever levels would be useless haste wise and I'd end up with 30 second ones?

Argh my head hurts. Guess what I'm trying to do is just figure out the answer to this question: what is the best way to minimize on DP/haste clickies/consumables and still be a viable melee build?

[Consumer]

Can I ask whats wrong with greensteel haste clickies?

Or even playing with a good caster?

[gott_ist_tot]

Can I ask whats wrong with greensteel haste clickies?

Not at a level 6, but yeah. Mostly playing divine-melee so my GSs been rather of the conc-opp type to this time.

Or even playing with a good caster?

Please, don't go there. Just assume I for some reasons can't find one willing to play with me. May be my bad attidude or bad luck and just leave it at that.

Got better idea. Assume this is a solo toon. Fixes both - GS clickies not long enough for me (if long enough for ye assume I'm a worse player), and won;t play with arcane cuz, well, solo.

[spyyder976]

Not at a level 6, but yeah. Mostly playing divine-melee so my GSs been rather of the conc-opp type to this time.



Please, don't go there. Just assume I for some reasons can't find one willing to play with me. May be my bad attidude or bad luck and just leave it at that.

Got better idea. Assume this is a solo toon. Fixes both - GS clickies not long enough for me (if long enough for ye assume I'm a worse player), and won;t play with arcane cuz, well, solo.

Why on earth at level 6 MUST you have haste? It's not even needed...

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Why on earth at level 6 MUST you have haste? It's not even needed...

/agreed. I hardly ever haste while solo, and I keep pots/clickies really just for tough fights. I could see why hasting more often might be good, but there's certainly no reason AT ANY LEVEL to be going through that many haste pots per day.

Maybe try cutting back to half a wagonload per day, and if that doesn't work, I hear there's a patch...

[asphodeli]

Why haste you when wizards have more stuff that makes life easier on the party?

[JTsays]

Haste is awesome

.....but I can quit anytime.....

As previously mentioned, I'd use a hireling hastebot as soon as you can if you're a junkie.

Squishy casters can be a bit hard to keep alive,



...and the hirelings are worse :P

[Lifeblood]

I find myself using haste pots on my melee toons up to a point of spending 100-200k plat daily and I can't afford it.

Sounds like its time for an intervention

[gott_ist_tot]

Sounds like its time for an intervention

Yea man, may not look like it, but this post was a cry for help!

[Lithic]

Do you have a bard with 70+ haggle? Even 60ish haggle (can be hit without shroud or raid gear) will cut your expenses in half.

[RobinofSpiritwood]

Do you have a bard with 70+ haggle? Even 60ish haggle (can be hit without shroud or raid gear) will cut your expenses in half.

If he has a bard, he's already got haste on a (potentially)decent melee fighter type.

[DarkAlchemist]

Not talking about the OP but the worst pugs I have ever been in are the ones who refuse to walk 1 foot without being hasted. I am a wizard and I am supposed to haste everyone every 30 secs or 1 min (at level 20 4 minutes of haste is nice but at lvl 10-ish haste sucks out what little sp we do have since the melees want to be perma hasted).

I start hearing that haste me now or else I can't say I haven't teleported to the portable hole and clicked quit. One can only take so much of that.

So, when I saw the above intervention response I LOL'd because haste, while it really is good if used wisely, is like a drug. It should be cherished and used on the tough fights at the lower levels not to simply run around between fights.

[Phidius]

If it helps, Gemstone is my favorite toon, and the only one I look forward to bringing into gimped parties of people who don't know what the h*ll they're doing.

Precious is a close second, though.

Both of them are perma-hasted from level 6.

[Fenrisulven6]

I am a wizard and I am supposed to haste everyone every 30 secs

Yup. And none of those parasites would even consider clogging up their inventory with haste clickies.

[sirdanile]

Roll a wind stance monk?

[gott_ist_tot]

Do you have a bard with 70+ haggle? Even 60ish haggle (can be hit without shroud or raid gear) will cut your expenses in half.

Yes, I've been thinking about it. But I'm just somehow not attracted to playing a bard, tried that, dumped at 13th, rerolled for lack of slots at the time. I'd be... very reluctant to play the bard for the sole purpose of haggle toon. Although it's a sensible answer and thank you for this.

Roll a wind stance monk?

Now that's another easy answer, but I'm trying to go with khopeshes, prolly should've mentioned that.

[Reos]

This post smacks of potion addiction!
Why do you feel like you have to be hasted all of the time? Your best bet is to stack up a bunch of clickies and burn through them in a Haste-induced stupor.

[dranreb]

Phiarlan's pendant of time FTW?

Otherwise, make your own clickie or just hang tight with a wizzie.

[Consumer]

Had a friend get through a Bard by using the following split:

8 Bard / 6 Fighter / 6 Barb

Obviously not ultra awesome but it got the job done quickly and easily, might be worth a try.

[KKDragonLord]

try Rogue7/Wizard7/Ranger6

Thats my original "gimp" build
but there is a successful forum version out there that kicks a lot of ass