MMA Lesnar vs Carwin

[SaisMatters]

I know there's alot of mma fans here, so I wanted to hear what your opinions on this fight are. With Fedor losing last weekend this fight has even more spotlights shining on it. I, for one, can't wait to watch it. I think its going to be epic.

My pick is Carwin by first round knockout!

[dominp]

normally i would say Brock would win easily but with his huge layoff and coming back from a huge disability and surgery its hard to say who wins this match.

I think in my heart Im still pulling for Brock but a win by Carwin shouldn't surprise anyone.

[SaisMatters]

normally i would say Brock would win easily but with his huge layoff and coming back from a huge disability and surgery its hard to say who wins this match.

I think in my heart Im still pulling for Brock but a win by Carwin shouldn't surprise anyone.

Yeah, I think the ring rust on Lesnar will be a major factor too.

[Ogrenaut]

Don't like either really but I think Brocks just gunna drop him pretty quick lol.

[Cetus]

Lesner gets submitted within the first minute.

[Montrose]

Lesner gets submitted within the first minute.

Carwin by submission? Really? That seems unlikely to me. Wikipedia lists five wins by submission, two are not specific as to what the submission was, one is "Submission by punches" which isn't really a submission, and the other two are guillotine chokes. Given Lesnar's height and size I just don't see a guillotine being successful.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking it will be a stoppage due to strikes.

[Judo]

Submission by punches is when someone taps out while being punched, simply really. Doesn't usually happen because most people get knocked the fudge out before they can tap.

I cannot stand Lesner. He has ZERO style, skill, ability, fanfare, humility, sportmanship.....etc. He's big. That's it. Before David, Goliath beat the living sh(t out of a lot people.

I wanted to see a rematch between Mir and Lesner, but that ain't going down. I think if Carwin keeps his head, Lesner is going down the rabbit hole and quick. Mir's biggest mistake in fight 2 and 3 was waiting. If you've ever seen Royce Gracie back in the day, the dude attacked, like you stole his baby girls ice cream...he backed it up with A game BJJ. Mir has A game BJJ but waited on Lesner to make the first move. While Carwin is certainly not famous for BJJ, he is hardcore aggressive.

I say Carwin, round 1, rear naked. But of course, im hoping for a brutal beatdown, and im hoping Lesner gets punched right in his diverticuli.

[Montrose]

I cannot stand Lesner. He has ZERO style, skill, ability, fanfare, humility, sportmanship.....etc. He's big. That's it. Before David, Goliath beat the living sh(t out of a lot people.

I find big to be interesting though. Perhaps because I am pretty much the opposite of big (5'10" 130 lbs).

Regardless of his attitude, which I agree is pretty bad, he does actually have some skill to back up his size. He was a wrestler (the real kind) for ~20 years or so through high school and college.

I think Carwin will win (and I hope he does as well), but I do find Lesnar to be an interesting fighter to watch just due to his raw power output.

[dominp]

I cannot stand Lesner. He has ZERO style, skill, ability, fanfare, humility, sportmanship.....etc. He's big. That's it.

humility, sportsmanship...maybe style..sure.

skill and ability..no way. He has tons of both.

And he is big but there are lots of people bigger then him so being big can't be the only thing he has. You need the skill and quicks to go with it...and he has it.

I think lots of people are like you and simple hate him cause of his attitude..but you cant deny his skills and ability...otherwise you are just not being realistic.

[Greeka]

I think Mir is a ****** bag and loved seeing him get the crapped kicked out of him by Lesnar. As for the Carwin lesnar fight that will be interesting. Carwin is a powerful dude and so far no one has really tested Lesnar's chin to see what it can take before breaking. If Carwin gets in on Lesnar and avoids being taken down or clinched and pressed against that cage for some ground and pound I think he may just beat Lesnar though.

I like Lesnar and his attitude it fine with me, he is there to make money and beat the **** outta people. He speaks without thinking at times, but always speaks his mind and I respect that. I think Lesnar will win this, but it will take 3 rounds and will be either by ground and pound into dust or some kind of choke submission.

Just my opinion.

[SaisMatters]

I don't know if anyone knows this, but these two have a bit of history. They were supposed to meet along time ago in NCAA wrestling, but it never happened for some reason. Its interesting that they're meeting now in another fight format.

These two are just two massive freight trains. Can't wait till they smash into each other!

[Judo]

humility, sportsmanship...maybe style..sure.

skill and ability..no way. He has tons of both.

And he is big but there are lots of people bigger then him so being big can't be the only thing he has. You need the skill and quicks to go with it...and he has it.

I think lots of people are like you and simple hate him cause of his attitude..but you cant deny his skills and ability...otherwise you are just not being realistic.

You're making the mistake of assuming skill = victory.

An analogy would be to say that a hammer has great skill in pounding in a nail. A hammer has 0 skill. You're also comparing apples to oranges in the MMA = Wrestling category.

So far Lesner has used 1 ability to defeat his opponents. Overpower, then baby hammerfists till victory. This is not a skillful ability, it is his sophmoric Pavlov's dog segway into MMA. It works, so he continues to use it. Again, simply not "skillful".

Has he been victorious? Yes. Would anyone in their right mind consider him a well balanced and skilled Martial Artist? Not in a million years.

[SaisMatters]

Weigh -ins are tonight! Will be interesting to see how lean Brock Lesnar is going to look. He said in an interview that he lost so much weight that he doesn't even need to cut for the weigh in and should be walking in at 255lbs. Thats a big differnce for him. Wonder if it will benifit him or hinder him in the fight?

[Judo]

Weigh -ins are tonight! Will be interesting to see how lean Brock Lesnar is going to look. He said in an interview that he lost so much weight that he doesn't even need to cut for the weigh in and should be walking in at 255lbs. Thats a big differnce for him. Wonder if it will benifit him or hinder him in the fight?

Hinder of course, his biggest advantage was always the BIG advantage lol. He'll have to make up for it with evasion...

...fail

[Montrose]

Hinder of course, his biggest advantage was always the BIG advantage lol. He'll have to make up for it with evasion...

...fail

I hear he splashed a level of bard to go with his 15 levels of barbarian, so we may see him singing tomorrow. Will be hard for him to cast any spells with his 8 charisma though.

[ArloOne]

Carwin will knock out Lesner 1 minute and 23 seconds into the 2nd round.

[cdbd3rd]

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I think lots of people are like you and simple hate him cause of his attitude..

/Raises hand.
Aye, that'd be me, pretty much.

....but you cant deny his skills and ability...otherwise you are just not being realistic.

Maybe so, but doesn't mean we can't GRUDGINGLY admit those things.

[matsuwani]

I do alot of sports betting and handicapping and I think that given Lesners situation and Carwins dominance the smart money is on carwin. Currently you can get carwin at +140 or higher. Not sure why he is a dog in the fight 12-0 all knock out nothing beyond the first round.

My two cents

[dominp]

You're making the mistake of assuming skill = victory.

An analogy would be to say that a hammer has great skill in pounding in a nail. A hammer has 0 skill. You're also comparing apples to oranges in the MMA = Wrestling category.

So far Lesner has used 1 ability to defeat his opponents. Overpower, then baby hammerfists till victory. This is not a skillful ability, it is his sophmoric Pavlov's dog segway into MMA. It works, so he continues to use it. Again, simply not "skillful".

Has he been victorious? Yes. Would anyone in their right mind consider him a well balanced and skilled Martial Artist? Not in a million years.

Have you seen his fights?

Have you seen his take down skills? probably some of the best in the UFC.

Have you seen his ground game...not talking about just his huge fists pounding on someone but also his skills in controlling an opponent once he is down.

When he was pounding on Mir it was because he used his skills to pin down Mir's arm and had him defenseless. That is not just due to luck...it is skill.

I think you are just blinded by your hate for him and don't see what is really there.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Anyone in the know in MMA would say Carwin by KO round 1.

Lots of ring rust on Lesnar, plus he's coming off the DL with a life threatening injury. He almost died.

Still, I will be the lone wolf that says Lesner by KO.

HOW?: Lesner will go for immediate takedown. On the ground its Lesner all the way via ground and pound.

DANGER?: Lesner is the PERFECT opponent for Carwin. Big slab of meat with little boxing skill and an untested chin. If Carwin catches him clean, 1 punch KO. BUT, Carwin's chin is untested, as his ability to go the distance. All of Carwin's fights combined = 8 minutes. ONE of Brock's fights was longer. Chin and Endurance are big unanswered questions for Carwin.

Lesnar's ability?: Everyone assumes Lesnar has no skills? Brock Lesnar was an NCAA national wrestling champion. Actually his takedowns are first rate. Ground n pouund might not look pretty, but its a perfectly legitimate fighting style in UFC and MMA. On the ground, Lesnar knows how to gain control and use his size against you. Lightening fast for his size. If Lesnar learns a few submissions on the ground, that would be akin to a level 20 raged barbarian able to cast finger of death!

Should be a great fight!!