13/7 elf assassin kensai

[dbspaceoditty]

im just thinking if this would be a decent build. im not looking to be the highest DPS in the group. mainly DD UL and secret doors so groups can get extra XP. i also build this trying too get good criticals and sneaks.

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DaveThomas WendysGuy
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(7 Fighter \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 13
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    18
Dexterity            17                    17
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    21
Bluff                -1                     4
Concentration         1                     2
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    30
Haggle                3                    17
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    27
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  2                     4
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    27
Open Lock             7                    23
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    21
Spot                  3                    18
Swim                  2                     4
Tumble                7                     7
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 13 (Rogue)


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers


Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device III


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV

[Vandas]

I was just coming to post my build, and it's almost the same thing, but I went Dwarf with a major emphasis on the dwarven war axe. Seems like I'm way more combat focused than you are and you pull ahead on the traps a bit due to enhancements. From what I understand, at a certain point as long as you have max ranks Search/Disable Device, you'll be a 99% of the traps Rogue, where getting to 100% means going Mechanic and basically becoming a one trick monkey. Mine is pretty Tome intensive, I really think a build like this has to be since it's so stat dependent (STR based attacks, 17 Dex for ITWF, High CON for HP's as a melee and of course, INT for skills).

Hope you don't mine me piggy backing your thread, but I figure it's easier for everyone than making another 13/7 thread.

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Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(7 Fighter \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 14
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    20
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              6                     6

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                    13
Bluff                 2                    18
Concentration         3                     6
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        5                    24
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  6                    25
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  7                    24
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         6                    25
Open Lock             6                    19
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    26
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                6                    19
Use Magic Device      2                    19

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 16 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike


Level 20 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Attack II
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Kensei Dwarven Waraxe Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

A few questions? Is Stunning Blow worth it? It seems like it has synergy with Kensai (which in turn has synergy with Bluffing Sneaks etc. .). Does Assassinate count as a combat feat? I know Kopesh is a strictly better weapon, but will the Dwarven Axe Mastery feats compensate to equal or superior for this build? Are the skills high enough for a 99% Rogue? The stats good enough to shine in combat? Would dumping points into Diplomacy help my survivability significantly? I took 7 Fighter mostly for Critical Accuracy 3, would it be better taking another class? Barbarian for speed/Rage? Can you Assassinate while Raged?

[dbspaceoditty]

the funny thing is. i have a dwarf build almost exactly like that but i didnt post it because it turned out easier to get the dex bonus with elf. although the hit too con isnt that fun.

i would also like too see somebody post a human build like these two that uses khopesh or another elf that uses rapiers..

[dbspaceoditty]

anybody think this is a good toon? i was also thinking about making it but assassinIII who knows. when the hotfix is done im starting a new toon

[GhoulsTouch]

I think its a good idea. But what about putting in 2 levels of paladin and go drow? 12 rogue,6 fighter, 2 paladin? You miss out on some things but it would help your saves. It's a good concept, and this is just a suggestion. Also I would dump power critical for finesse and focus on that especially if you go paladin, boosting dex and charisma while dropping strength.

You wouldn't be using slashing weapons of course, Kensai Rapier.

[dbspaceoditty]

sounds intresting but i dont have drow yet.

and weapon finesse would be good if i picked rapiers