barbarian power rage question

[MrWizard]

not that there is no consistency to the way information is presented in DDO, but....


Barb power rage says this

"When raging, you gain an additional +1 Strength"

the second power rage says this

"When raging, you gain an additional +2 Strength"

the third and 4th say +3 and +4.

In most cases where this is a simple progression, DDO implies a 'total' of +4.
However, this is not the case here. It clearly says 'additional strength' and does not say '+1' for each additional to add to 4..

So, is this just a case of very poor quality control or does the enhancement actually add +10 strength? (+1, +2, +3, +4 = +10)


any barbs with the answer?

[Madchicken]

No the enhancment line power rage only gives a maxiumum of +4 with an addional +4 from rage ability at lvl 1. A total of +8 rage then with level up and capstone (though might be changed) is +12 atm.

[Quikster]

No the enhancment line power rage only gives a maxiumum of +4 with an addional +4 from rage ability at lvl 1. A total of +8 rage then with level up and capstone (though might be changed) is +12 atm.

I thought it was rage +4, greater rage +2 (for +6 so far) and enhancements for +4(+10) and Mighty rage for +2(+12)

[Madchicken]

No he was just asking if the power rage line was giving a total of 10: +1 from first, +2 from second, +3 from 3rd, and +4 from the fourth which gives +10 which isnt right because what hes prolly thinking that a barbs strength at 20 would add +4 from rage at lvl 1, +2 from capstone, and +2 from greater rage. which would b +18 rage.lol

Even on my tr barbarian i dont even have that lol and at lvl 12 so far i only get a +14 rage.

[Talesin]

I thought it was rage +4, greater rage +2 (for +6 so far) and enhancements for +4(+10) and Mighty rage for +2(+12)

Actually it's:
Rage +4, greater rage +2, Mighty Rage +2, Power Rage IV (enhancements) +4, Barbarian Might (Capstone) +2, Frenzy +2, Death Frenzy +4 and if you really go all the way, Barbarian Past Life Feat for another +4 on your normal rages and another +4 for your 30 seconf special extra rage.

Grand Total = +24 (+28 for 30 seconds)

[Quikster]

Actually it's:
Rage +4, greater rage +2, Mighty Rage +2, Power Rage IV (enhancements) +4, Barbarian Might (Capstone) +2, Frenzy +2, Death Frenzy +4 and if you really go all the way, Barbarian Past Life Feat for another +4 on your normal rages and another +4 for your 30 seconf special extra rage.

Grand Total = +24 (+28 for 30 seconds)

Right but the capstone/frenzy etc you have to take and/or "use"

I was referring strictly to the barb rage granted feats, and the power rage the op's question referenced.

so for 20 barb its +8 rage (from the granted feats) then up to +4 for power rage enhancements.

Adding capstone would be +2? Or is the capstone an all the time str increase? My barbs were/are both splashes so i dont know bout the capstone.

This would give +14 when clicking rage. Then you can start adding all the rest of the clickies

[Asketes]

you get 1 to 4 strength per rage

er d4

er 4 total

er 10 total

er .... <brain explodes>


BAH! so much for easy reading


*smirk*

[stoopid_cowboy]

I just look at my strength on the character sheet, rage, frenzy, death frenzy, clickie ,clickie ,gulp, clickie, madstone, clickie, and look at sheet again. Awesome........
Barbs dont do math, barbs kill.

yuda

[Talesin]

Right but the capstone/frenzy etc you have to take and/or "use"

I was referring strictly to the barb rage granted feats, and the power rage the op's question referenced.

so for 20 barb its +8 rage (from the granted feats) then up to +4 for power rage enhancements.

Adding capstone would be +2? Or is the capstone an all the time str increase? My barbs were/are both splashes so i dont know bout the capstone.

This would give +14 when clicking rage. Then you can start adding all the rest of the clickies

Ahh I see... then yes you are correct, a lvl 20 pure barbarian with power rage IV gets +12 Str for his rage (without past life feat).

Although I have no idea why you would'nt want to get the frenzied berserker line currently. I guess it depends on how deeply multi-classed you are?

Anyway, to answer your question... Yes the capstone is a +2 Str all the time. Currently +2 Str is the ONLY thing the capstone is good for... the 10% attack speed bug is now fixed and the capstone's buff to glancing blows has apparently never worked. Even if the GB buff worked it has a lesser use now that THf don't get moving GB's

[Oversouldgg]

Do all the +s to STR from Rage stack with gear that you're wearing? Such as a standard +6 STR item?

For example, you have gloves that give +6 STR and your Rage gives you +10 STR. Would you get a total of +16 to your STR while raging?

[Talesin]

Do all the +s to STR from Rage stack with gear that you're wearing? Such as a standard +6 STR item?

For example, you have gloves that give +6 STR and your Rage gives you +10 STR. Would you get a total of +16 to your STR while raging?

That is correct... you would have +16 Str in your example. At the same time you probably would have frenzy and/or death frenzy and those str boosts would stack as well.

For instance a high level (let's use a capstoned dwarf barb), well geared barbarian would have a sustainable strenth that looks like this:

Base Strength
Starting Str...... 18
Level Ups......... 5
Capstone......... 2
+2 Tome.......... 2
Str Item.......... 6
Total............. 33

Barbarian Rage
Base Rage....... 4
Greater Rage... 2
Mighty Rage.... 2
Power Rage IV. 4
Total............. 12

Other Buffs
Frenzy............ 2
Death Frenzy... 4
Rage Pot......... 2
Madstone Rage. 2
Total............. 10

Total Easily Sustainable Strength is 55

Further increases well equipped barbs will be able to get:

Extra Buffs
Exceptional Str (from items)....... 3
Titan Gloves clickie.................. 6
Double Madstone..................... 2
Scourge Choker....................... ? (to be honest I have no idea how this item works)
+4 tome (very rare)................. 2
Total................ 13 (68 Total)

TR'd Buffs
Active Past Life Feat............ 4
Active Past Life Clickie.......... 4
Total.......................... 8 (76 Total)

And I'm probably missing something

[quityourjobs]

And I'm probably missing something

Yugo pot: essence of fury. +2 strength.

[Rabscuttle]

Berserker belt/ring set bonus gives 2 more, and house D potions give (I think) 3. I think there are potions in the Turbine store as well, but I never looked into them. Litany trinket gives 1, humans can have another 1... probably others also.

[Madchicken]

As i had said before my barb is a tr from a barb before but with the pastlife feat i will have at lvl 20:


18
+5 level ups
+6 item
29
+16 rage
+2 frenzy
+2 death frenzy
+4 pastlife rage
+4 madstone
+2 tome
59
+8 titans grip clicky
+2 yugoloth pot
+3 house d pot
+3 exceptional
75 Strength

With tons of guards on dt and GS =)

[Goldeneye]

Berserker belt/ring set bonus gives 2 more, and house D potions give (I think) 3. I think there are potions in the Turbine store as well, but I never looked into them. Litany trinket gives 1, humans can have another 1... probably others also.

Berserker Set bonus: +2
Amrath pots: +2
DDO Store Pots: +2??
Alchemical Potion: +3
Litany: +1
Human Versatility: +1
Epic Item: +7 Enhancement (von belt or helm)
Rage Potion: +2
Scourge Choker: +8 (in theory)
Completionist: +1? or +2?

Also in th future:
Half Orc: +2 (Base), +2 (Enhancements???) <- just a guess

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