I choose to be guildless, I am now hosed

[dopamine]

only stuff ive seen with guild augments is vendor trash, big deal

[jomonkey527]

What troubles me is that yesterday, just about every LFM was posting "Guild-Only" groups. I'm thinking that PUGs are going to be hard to come by.

This seems to me that if you are guildless, you may have a bit of trouble finding a party that will let you join in...

Even though I am in a guild, I enjoy a good PUG as well... The randomness of party members makes for interesting adventures... I know I'll still be tagging my LFMs as "All Welcome"...

I guess we'll have to see how far this disrupts the in-game community...

Well if that is the case, Im done. I am guilded, but most of the time my free time to play comes during the day. At night I spend my time with my family. So that may be the end of me playing.

[aldan]

the combat and gameplay is still a blast. Its the "Driving or Dragons" that is pulling the wrong crowds into DDO. It used to be a much older crowd and now the WOW kiddies wanting DPS meters and mounts etc are everywhere whining that quests are too tough.

I was in quest the other day and someone mentioned to me they had to submit a resume to a guild with all their gear, output from their DPS meter, and all kinds of other BS just to get into a high guild in WOW..

REALLY? I am in a top guild in Thelanis and we enjoy our questing, my gosh its not a job.

D&D should be dark and gritty and not go the route of Star Wars when they added Jar Jar Binks. Holy Mackerel what a lame character that was.


But back to your original concern. there are numbers of great guilds that have zero commitments but do have benefits. I would say our commitment would be be respectful ingame. Donate to the clerical bank when you can. Most importantly, have fun.

[Zenako]

Well if that is the case, Im done. I am guilded, but most of the time my free time to play comes during the day. At night I spend my time with my family. So that may be the end of me playing.

Actually it won't affect you that much, unless the guild chooses to boot you, but if you are actually active and play, that will generate boons (renown) for the guild and you are an asset. You almost have the best of both worlds, little guild pressure or drama and solo play due to time slots.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

I think more annoying than anything else is the constant "JOIN mah guild nao!!!" spam we have and will continue to be seeing, well...forever actually.
R

Right, this.
For players who aren't in guilds or have a good friends list, the guild recruit chatspam and lack of PUGs is going to kill a lot of the social aspect.

[jomonkey527]

Actually it won't affect you that much, unless the guild chooses to boot you, but if you are actually active and play, that will generate boons (renown) for the guild and you are an asset. You almost have the best of both worlds, little guild pressure or drama and solo play due to time slots.

Great point. Im not yet ready to thrown in the white towel of doom.

[Maxelcat]

you could always join a casual guild where they are just doing its for the fun of it. (even before this guild stuff showed up)

[Tinrae]

I guess a solution for guildless players who would like to remain autonomous would be to create their own one-man guild and grind up enough favor to get at least the base model ship. It will take a bit of effort but at least it's something!

My hubby and I have one character in a 'real' guild and the rest in our own alt guild. We'll probably grind up our alt guild up to 20ish and get the base model in-game purchased ship for our own use.

[winternacht]

They didn't take anything away from running solo. Your items and gear has not changed, and you still get all the benefits you had of running solo. They simply made it more alluring to be in a guild. You still have all the benefits of running solo, whatever they may be, and have not shafted you, but given me, someone who is in a guild, something to work towards. Maybe if you don't want to be in a guild, start your own just for you and work towards an airship

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Some items and gear have changed to absolutely prevent solo players from even using them, yet the solo player will be given these items and gear regardless of that fact. Image if they dropped loot for all players that only VIPs could use... actually I am probably giving them ideas now.

[samthedagger]

Guilds are optional, just like playing with other people is optional. Sooner or later you need to realize this is an MMO and the game is all about team play. Guilds foster and improve team play. Turbine is helping show new players that by tempting them with some goodies. But if you choose to remain guildless, you have all the same options you had before. It's not like you had augment slots before U5 and suddenly you have to be in a guild to use them. Don't have a use for guild items? Sell them to the AH or trade them for items you can use. It's like complaining about race-restricted items because you aren't the right race.

[lethargos]

guild only guys are propably having these kind of conversations behind the scenes:
Hey, we need to make some money for airships. I think we should do some raids and save a few spots for puggers. It will be sweet, we get to roll for most of the stuff and hmm lets charge the durty puggers some extra plat. They gimps will get their completion , they are pikers anyway. they could not make it unless it was a guild run.
When they have their big ships they will start to ponder. Hmm we have these uber buffs and prots, now only if we could myDDO to see if that guy wanting to join has them too. Nope, cant take the risk. We might have to waste sp on him and he is propably a total gimp compared to us. Well we have the airships already so i guess we can run guildonly again.
Its the new world order and the megaguilds will inherit the earth. Join or be a gimpslave.
Doooooooooooooooommmmmmmm

[~oldkraftholder]

The unguilded will save the world - when they guild.
Now let them build 60 ranks and a nice airship - then we might evt. consider joining their endeavor. And if the leading guild on the server at that day is the one of those that are always unpleasant blabla, then we join their closest competitors. In that situation they will not be as hesitant as the above post suggests ;-)

We have to be aware of this, as the guilds who 'win' the firstriser-competition inbuilt in this will have prolonged life from this, as they know will possess real values to hold on to for surviving members for good and ever i suppose, much like an pensioned char gone mule.

Btw - the demise of gold from AH is very sad. Would have preferred uneven intervals between currencies (13 silver is 1 gold and such). This is dull and omg : REALLIFEISH. But the little girls understand I guess.

[Kelavam]

Okay. Perhaps I misread this somewhere, but I was under the impression everyone in a PUG gets renown for their guild when renown is achieved. Would this not make PUG groups more appealing? A small guild, with all it's members running through a quest are going to get renown once. If we split up and joined 6 PUG groups doing 6 decently high quests.. That would actually build guild renown more.

And again, I apologize if my understanding of this is incorrect; but from everything I read, it seems like this would encourage more PUG groups as opposed to less.

Just my 2 cents.

[Yuesu]

Turbine…W!T!H! are you doing?...

This is no longer the game I started playing 4 years ago. It used to be when a group leader put up a LFM you were accepted and then your play style was how you earned your reputation. In fact, the whole idea of DDO/D&D was group play, community, and socializing now you have F2P vs. P2P, MyDDO vs. PPL, and now Guild Leveling. So what do those of us who do not want to be sucked into a large guild do? We will be shut out of raids, end game and epic run because our small guild can’t compete. And yes to most PPL a +1 does matter!


I mean REALLY what are you trying to accomplish? As it is now,

If you do not have a complete set of raid loot you will get declined for a raid!
If the party leader doesn’t like your stats you will be declined for a raid!
Now if you do not have a “insert specific GL” you will be declined for a raid!

Way to build a stronger community!

[Steelslinga]

1st read of the day and i gotta say its making me laugh.. you said it yourself you want to be guildless , yet you get upset cause you dont get the benefits of being in a guild.. i read a few replies then skipped the rest so let me ask you this. why not join a guild , socialise, laugh your ass off in voice while on an alt helping some new members get some levels, or find out they have no clue what enhancement points are and what they do, get some loot and make some friends?
ive been playing eq2 for about 6 years now and been an officer in an 800+ members guild named Grenricks Guidance and we had contests for cash, free mounts , and just for laughs. yes there are some serious end game raid guilds out there in DDO i am sure but as of yet i havent seen any to speak of. my girfriend is in the staes , i am in panama south america working and i started playing DDO so we could play some game together and have some fun. we have alot of fun with our guildies so her brother is starting to play now and have some laughs with us.
my point being the leader and myself sat down for an hour on skype and i explained how this update would go... small guilds will fail and disband,people will scramble for guilds when they see good guilds working together to get guild levels and guild loot. over the past month we have absorbed 2-3 smaller guilds that never had a leader on or just didnt have the insight as to what was to come with the new update and didnt feel like working on their own guilds hence being callled ...fail guilds.
so just join a friendly guild and be done with it , to me this update is a good thing, its given people something to work together for as a guild and have some fun while doing it. anyone else that has played another mmorpg such as eq2 or heaven forbid...wow is sure to agree for the most part that now guilds will be working together alot more and the guild chat tab isnt just somewhere to hide from the general chat daily spam show.
so for anyone out there that is looking for a mature and friendly active guild with some great people in it give me a shout ingame on Cannith server , hook up with us and have a few laughs either way and make some friends in the least.

Guild - Slayers of the highlanders
Server - Cannith
members - around 40 members that are active daily
Leader - Shadowkissed
Officer - Dabringer
guild level - 5

**** only rule we have is age +16 due to some slips of the tongue while on voice, and not wanting to be asked every 10 minutes for free plat or that we give them everything that we loot . greedy no, here to entertain lil johnny and give him free plat no. or better yet have them have a mental breakdown after being told we dont want to give them free plat and have them start cursing and crying and then leave the guild ...hell no son. the last scenario was a first hand experience hence the +16 years old.

[Potvin]

Yeah, I know, another thread.

Seeing loot with guild augment slots. Which means that I need to be in a guild to augment these items. No guild, no ability to augment. Make a guild of one get renown much much much much much much much slower than others. Quickly lose the slow guild creep war to the big guilds.

Slowly the fun of the game is being sucked out.

Is this what WOW is like? Or Guild Wars? Rhetorical questions, I have never seen the games or played the games and I don't care.

Why not do a one-man guild? Would this help?

[GhoulsTouch]

I take it like this, most people have guilded characters and unguilded characters. It's cool to run around with your guild but sometimes you just want to go anonymous Lone Wolf without any attachments to anyone and do your own thing. Pretty much come and go whenever and wherever you please.

Maybe we need to make Lone Wolf guilds that do just that.

Hello and Welcome young adventurer, come do something for yourself and join those who are doing exactly that. There are no rules, there are no conditions only your presence is required and should you be absent long you will be removed. Other then that no other obligation needs to be met on your behalf. Our ways shall cross and pass, the way is narrow for you alone to walk. I have my destiny, you have yours, and your guildies their own.

You are your own person in this entirely corporate fantasy world, and here we respect that.

[Drfirewater79]

Yeah, I know, another thread.

Seeing loot with guild augment slots. Which means that I need to be in a guild to augment these items. No guild, no ability to augment. Make a guild of one get renown much much much much much much much slower than others. Quickly lose the slow guild creep war to the big guilds.

Slowly the fun of the game is being sucked out.

Is this what WOW is like? Or Guild Wars? Rhetorical questions, I have never seen the games or played the games and I don't care.

sorry not reading everyone elses comments just wanted to throw my 2 cents in the pot

I have created a sub guild ...

only 3 of us in it right now and we aren't even putting all our characters in it ... keeping most of them in main guild ...

you get a big boost to renown if your guild is small ...

so make your own guild farm renown till your lvl 5 (wont take long dont need alot) invite your alts ....

then just play normally ... no decay till lvl 25 so even if it takes you a month and a half ... after that month you will be fine ...

if you dont and stay unguilded then it will take you a couple months after you realize its pointless ..

better start now and not mess around.

that being said .. i agree completely .... guild renown makes it a must to be in a guild ... big or small doesnt matter but it will later in the game ... cause decay alone will make most people upset once we start seeing people at the lvl 50+ range.

let the guild drama begin ...

while guild housing was asked for

no one asked for a guild housing mechanic that will just straight out leave some people at a major disadvantage because they dislike grouping or dislike guilding ...

[Gkar]

I like the airships, but the guild loot? Weak. This update has been hit or miss. Mostly just annoyances. I hope we're actually able to go into the ship. And no guns for the ship? Weak. We need them just to shoot them, if nothing else!

Just wait until the first guild gets a top of the line airship paid for in part by real cash contributed by the members through AD purchases, shared chests full of valuable loot contributed by the guild to help each other out... and then then the guild lead has a /ragequit moment and /disbands the guild, destroying a ship and all the goodies in the chests.

Oh for that matter, decides to sell for real cash the guild charter with that ship after /booting all the officers and members.

[MrkGrismer]

The only thing that annoyed me is that yesterday I did a quest in house j and ALL the end rewards in the list where Guild Minumum Level items. I was like "You're kidding me!" Yeah, I'm in a guild but none of those items are going to be useful at Guild Level 1. I think I will post those items on the AH for double base price. I wouldn't have minded if there where one or two items with MGL, but ALL of them?