Another "My loot is MY loot thread!"

[Thrudh]

Please read the post I responded to...the poster states:

"I must get the loot even though all 5 of you can use it and want it. I can't use it but I know of a certain someone who can use it...and he/she deserves it even though he/she did nothing for this quest thus I will keep it just for him/her"



-When referring to "keeping an item to give to someone who did nothing for the quest", it sounds to me like he is not just referring to BTC items.

That guy was responding to someone else who was confused by this thread, asking if this applied to all chest loot...

No one in this thread thinks normal chest loot should be rolled on... All of us (except a few newbies who are confused) are discussing bound-to-character loot.

[Vint]

Hey can we add a last minute entry to the release today.

Nerf the whiners please. They have gotten out of hand and they are the cause of all the lag.

P.S. I Love Beagles and Paprika

[Kalari]

Honestly every time I see posts like this it makes me shake my head. If we didnt see what was in others drops and they did it privately no one would be the wiser but why be sneaky. Its freaking game pixels. I think I learned a lot from my Chinese friends in the game, they dont get super obsessed with loot drops, they will chug a potion and not bemoan the plat or money it costs, they play the game to have fun. My guilds on here and Sarlona are the same way. If you want something bad enough and willing to run it it will come to you eventually. Blowing a gasket over loot and how its handled by the person it drops for its crazy and it will give you premature grey hairs, baldness and limp noddle syndrome.

All in all not worth it for a pixel, I say do what you wish with your loot deal with whatever "consequences" others think they are dolling out and move on this whole Loot issue has gotten real old.

[kcalbyz]

Please read the post I responded to...the poster states:

"I must get the loot even though all 5 of you can use it and want it. I can't use it but I know of a certain someone who can use it...and he/she deserves it even though he/she did nothing for this quest thus I will keep it just for him/her"



-When referring to "keeping an item to give to someone who did nothing for the quest", it sounds to me like he is not just referring to BTC items.

Since you are referring to my quote, I should clarify. That quote was in response to #53 and not to the threadstarter.

Running a quest with a player that has all the char class except 1 means he will have a lot of use for almost all the good loot drops. Although chances are rare that you will run a lot of quests with him and also the impossibility that all of named loot drops goes to him, it does signify a reduced chance for the 5 players running the same quest with him to get a chance to roll for the loot.

For example, I use my capped ranger and run Epic raids with 11 other guys. 1 Greenblade Seal (bound to account) drops in my name and although I do not yet have a caster character yet, I can still say that I am planning on rolling a caster "soon" (no matter how vague that is) and keep the Greenblade Seal. Would that be fair to the other casters in the current raid? End of the of it all, I could have a complete set of Shard, Scroll and Seal but quit the game soon after.

Of course then again, fair or not fair is up to individual's interpretations.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

That guy was responding to someone else who was confused by this thread, asking if this applied to all chest loot...

No one in this thread thinks normal chest loot should be rolled on... All of us (except a few newbies who are confused) are discussing bound-to-character loot.

Ok, then we're on the same page...was just trying to answer the one guy's question and point out that I thought the second one was a bit out of line with his thinking.


Ye should have already read my opinions on the BTC loot. I would never blacklist anyone for auctioning off loot, but the OP needs to realize that some will. I'm guessing it's not a big loss for him, tho.

I don't think I would ever auction off a BTC item that dropped for me and I can't use. Most of my raids are guild raids, and I have never asked for anything in return for something I've passed...and they don't for me either. I only say that, because I would apply the same to any PuG I was a part of, and I would hope that they would do the same. If they didn't, I might feel slighted, but I would not blacklist them, because it's up to them to do with their own loot as they will. Just my opinion, though.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Since you are referring to my quote, I should clarify. That quote was in response to #53 and not to the threadstarter.

Running a quest with a player that has all the char class except 1 means he will have a lot of use for almost all the good loot drops. Although chances are rare that you will run a lot of quests with him and also the impossibility that all of named loot drops goes to him, it does signify a reduced chance for the 5 players running the same quest with him to get a chance to roll for the loot.

For example, I use my capped ranger and run Epic raids with 11 other guys. 1 Greenblade Seal (bound to account) drops in my name and although I do not yet have a caster character yet, I can still say that I am planning on rolling a caster "soon" (no matter how vague that is) and keep the Greenblade Seal. Would that be fair to the other casters in the current raid? End of the of it all, I could have a complete set of Shard, Scroll and Seal but quit the game soon after.

Of course then again, fair or not fair is up to individual's interpretations.

Ok, I'm not familiar with Shards. Do you get them from chests, or do they drop like scrolls?

Again, if they drop in a chest for you, then I would have issues with anyone that would argue with YOU taking it...it's yours and you can do with it as you wish, BTC or otherwise. If it's just a drop that only one person can pick up, then, yes, I would say it's bad form to ninja-loot the item if someone else is specifically looking for it and you don't need it for a while.

Either way, it doesn't seem that it's pertinent to this thread, and I think #53 has had his questions answered. If not, he can start a new thread of his own, and we can disagree there to our hearts content.

[Battlehawke]

I don't like my house anymore...... /roll for it.... Oh wait!!! It's mine.... I think I'll sell it!! ...are you OK with that? Do I need your permission to sell MY stuff? Different people do different things and the rules vary. In most states in the US, possession is 9/10ths of the law, unless you can prove its YOURS. Oh Wait... not being Yours would imply that its MINE again... Do you ever Tip someone for giving something up for roll (that you won)? I do, usually, especially if I needed/Wanted it. Mostly, because it wasn't mine, nor did I have any rights to it. They were kind and did something they didn't have to. If I pull loot I don't need/want, I offer it to friends and guildies first, then I put it up for Roll to the class that it benifits the most, then I put it up for roll to all. I have never sold/auctioned any named loot, however, if I did, it would be my right....

Battlehawke

[BurningDownTheHouse]

Burning is right. But the funny thing is, when someone blacklists a raiding guild like ours because we share loot with guildies first, or offer to sell/trade it, etc, they are really very likely just reducing their odds of getting loot. Here's why...

While we are likely to offer the loot in guild first, most of our members have a ton of named loot already. Odds are pretty good in a lot of runs that we dont actually need the item. While occassionally I've seen us sell it or trade it, most likely we put it up for roll. Not a rule, and our members do what they want outside of guild, but putting it up for roll is extremely common.

Therefore, I'd venture to guess even if you subtract out the times we pass it to guildies or very occassionally trade/sell, we still put up more named loot for roll than an average pug. Add to it that your odds of completing the quest/run quickly and efficiently with a raiding guild is much more likely, and I'd be willing to bet puggers that run with us tend to end up with named loot more than puggers running in normal, loot socialist, everyone donate everything pugs.

If it offends you that we choose to do with our loot what we want then I guess you will be offended. But if you actually watch what we end up doing with that choice, quite often we end up making a pugger very happy.

Oh, come on Death, don't try to convince him to join our raids.
I prefer to share with people that don't think that comunism is a good idea...

Yes, personally I never try sell raid loot.
Yes, somtimes I will send a tell, or just outright offer to buy over voice chat.
That's my personal choice.
My loot is mine do decide what to do with!!! Capish?

[Chai]

Honestly every time I see posts like this it makes me shake my head. If we didnt see what was in others drops and they did it privately no one would be the wiser but why be sneaky. Its freaking game pixels. I think I learned a lot from my Chinese friends in the game, they dont get super obsessed with loot drops, they will chug a potion and not bemoan the plat or money it costs, they play the game to have fun.

They also are very good at ninja-ing scrolls before they even hit the ground, and will LOL at you for saying anything about it, until I demonstrate my twitch skills and pick up something they want. Now, all of a sudden, the entire run stops and they want to roll on what I got in my inventory. Their perspective changes when they realize they are no longer the quickest at using backspace + U to pick up fallen scrolls.

4 AM becomes a nice little time to have a chat about who has what in their inventory. I have no problem with playing by their rules, but once I caught on, they sure had an issue when it became harder for them to acquire everything and divy it up amongst themselves. They get just as obsessed as everyone else at that point, when they realize it could be days or even weeks farming the same scroll I just happened to kick up with the toe of my boot and slam into my backpack, all in one fluid motion, complete with wip cracking and 6 million dollar man sound effects in the background...

[Deathseeker]

Oh, come on Death, don't try to convince him to join our raids.
I prefer to share with people that don't think that comunism is a good idea...

Yes, personally I never try sell raid loot.
Yes, somtimes I will send a tell, or just outright offer to buy over voice chat.
That's my personal choice.
My loot is mine do decide what to do with!!! Capish?

Im just glad we share loot in guild first...I think you've probably pulled more of the gear Im wearing than I have!

[PopeJual]

I don't like my house anymore...... /roll for it.... Oh wait!!! It's mine.... I think I'll sell it!! ...are you OK with that?

No. I'm not really okay with that.

If you give something to someone else, it is no longer yours.

If you donate your car or boat or house to a charity, it is no longer yours.

Legally, you can usually choose to go back on your word if the transaction has not yet been made final, but it does mean that you're not someone with whom I want to do business.


Also, why are you putting your house up for a /roll, anyway? That's something that every race and every class can use. Heck, it's even not even Bound to Account!

[BurningDownTheHouse]

Im just glad we share loot in guild first...I think you've probably pulled more of the gear Im wearing than I have!

And don't you forget it when you finally pull those thranes goggles I've been trying to get on my rogue for ever and a day...

[Pyromaniac]

Dark is a guy who gave me my set of Icy Rainments. If he doesn't have any friends/guildees/family etc in the group, why not sell them to the highest bidder?

Icy Rainments are pretty valuable, so I don't see an issue. I've seen more than enough casters/non-ac toons etc take the rainments for fun in the pre-reincarnate days that I can count. Its nowhere near as bad as that.

Your loot is your loot. Would I do the same...maybe. It depends on the group that was there.

75k plat is dirt cheap for that item, and its probably worth at least 10 times that. So now everyone should sell their loot for 1/10th of its value on the AH? Can't wait for the bargains...

[Bloodstealer]

I see nothing wrong with you asking siblings/friends/guildies if they have a need for the item..
However, i find it deplorable that once you found that you and your associates had no need of the item you put it up for auction..
I take it that if someone in the group needed but couldn't afford it, it would've just gone to a vendor? considering it cannot be traded outside of the box..

I for one will never auction anything in my loot list that i have no need for or cannot trade to one of my Alts that have a need for the item..
(I refer only to items that are Bind on Pick up)

If anyone else agrees with Darkrune on this matter, please add me to /squelch
For i would not want to assist anyone in being a dirty loot wh0re

Rethka
Harkle
Grandmastor
Zaknafain

Looking forward to questing with the non-selfish community

Doooh what a muppett - in case you missed the part in Darks thread he put it up for auction, which generally means highest bid wins - if that person wanted it soooo bad then he/she cud of put up as much as they wished no matter how small an amount. If no one else bidded on it then that person gets a nice item at a steal of a price.
If your doing Garomauls runs you surely must be able to afford at least the vendor value anyhow, otherwise you been spending way too much cash on house P buffs and cure light wounds pots!!
Get over yourself and move on!!

oooh BTW - name and shame in a PM wud be good to please Dark

[Seelowe]

this is out of proportion.

it is just as much your right to do what you want with your loot as it is for others to judge you based on just that and decide to party with you in the future or not.
why would you care if you were happy with the deal?

some ppl roll in a certain way. some ppl roll in a different way. nothing wrong with keeping the two groups seperated, that way we don't need threads about person from group A complaining about person from group B being either a greedy bastard or a butthurt whiner depending on which way you look at it.

and obviously both groups have arguments, with no universal truth solving this issue anytime soon.

[darkrune]

this is out of proportion.

it is just as much your right to do what you want with your loot as it is for others to judge you based on just that and decide to party with you in the future or not.
why would you care if you were happy with the deal?

I don't care if he didn't like what I did and don't really care if he chooses not to run irh me ever again. What I do care about and what the op says is that mr. Buthurt went off in party chat then even after I left the party apparently continued to rant. The leader of the run invited me back for the reform (I didn't click) and mr. Butthurt was not reinvited or rejoined.

Anyone who knows me in game knows that there is only one player on the server that I Absolutely refuse to run with. I don't broadcast it when he joins a group I am in, I simply send a tell to the leader and drop group. Anyone else such as mr. Butthurt here is on my list and if I am Lfm simply won't take him. I don't bad mouth him just try to avoid him. If he ends up in a group I am in and I pull something he needs too bad it goes to someone else. No drama no big scene just move on and play the game.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Anyone who knows me in game knows that there is only one player on the server that I Absolutely refuse to run with.

Hey for the hundreth time I didn't know that was your mother, your sister, and your wife! Besides what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas.

[darkrune]

Hey for the hundreth time I didn't know that was your mother, your sister, and your wife! Besides what happens in Vegas is supposed to stay in Vegas.

Yeah but did you have to take my dog too? Man I loved that dog.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Yeah but did you have to take my dog too? Man I loved that dog.

That was the payment for taking the other three...at least the dog doesn't nag me!

[MysteryNotes]

Name please