In-Guild Raid Loot Rolling

[Rheebus]

I don't mind when guilds save loot for one another in raid chests, but I would like to know that is the plan when I join the group. I may not stay and help you earn Noxious Embers if I know I can't roll on it.

[Impaqt]

Never expect anyone to give up their own loot for roll.

Tell me, If you pull the Noxious Embers, are YOU going to put it up for roll or are you going to just loot it?

I cant understand why I see so many threads like this.

Most people follow the same Raid loot protocol.

If I need it, I keep it.

If I dont need it, I give it to a Guildy.

If a Guildy doesnt need it, a friend would get it.

Then it goes up for roll.

[Rheebus]

Never expect anyone to give up their own loot for roll.

Tell me, If you pull the Noxious Embers, are YOU going to put it up for roll or are you going to just loot it?

I cant understand why I see so many threads like this.

Most people follow the same Raid loot protocol.

If I need it, I keep it.

If I dont need it, I give it to a Guildy.

If a Guildy doesnt need it, a friend would get it.

Then it goes up for roll.

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

[Freeman]

Never expect anyone to give up their own loot for roll.

Tell me, If you pull the Noxious Embers, are YOU going to put it up for roll or are you going to just loot it?

I cant understand why I see so many threads like this.

Most people follow the same Raid loot protocol.

If I need it, I keep it.

If I dont need it, I give it to a Guildy.

If a Guildy doesnt need it, a friend would get it.

Then it goes up for roll.

I'll simplify it for others: If it doesn't drop for you, assume it won't be up for roll. That covers every possible circumstance, and won't lead to disappointment. I'll give my loot to whoever I want to have it, by whatever priority I decide is most important. If you think otherwise, I'll let you know where to send the money to supplement what I pay to play the game.

[Freeman]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Maybe, maybe not. If it wasn't a raid item, would you still think you deserved a shot at it? A name doesn't change the fact that you are trying to say you deserve something that belongs to me.

[Lithic]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Simple fix, assume people will give priority to their guildies and friends over you. Problem solved.

[Comfortably]

Simple fix, assume people will give priority to their guildies and friends over you. Problem solved.

If you didn't pull the item or tome, DDO has already told you no dice tonight. It's their loot to do with what they want.

[Rheebus]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

[norman_quickfinger]

When we do a guild run and finish. First we see if any guildie needs the raid loot if no then it goes up for roll for the pugs. If you are in a group and something drops that you would want or rolls on simply ask if it's up for roll. The worst you'll be told is no.

[Comfortably]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

That shouldn't matter man, it's not a competition. You are free to feel that way and there's a simple solution, don't run with the guild again.

I commend you on not being a **** about it though.

[Leadsides]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

Not entirely. My guild does not favor ourselves over others in the party. We got tired of the "give to guildies first" a long time ago, especially when our people were making things possible for others. If one of us decides to put something up for roll, then EVERYONE gets to roll on it. Your loot is your own of course, should you decide to keep it. We've gotten may a positive feedback from non-guildies about our fairness rule.

[FluffyCalico]

Its real simple ...if you like running with a guild filling the last couple slots then continue to do so. If you don't like running with a certain guild its pretty easy to note the guild name and avoid their runs.

If you think you got hosed on the loot by a guild then just don't run with that guild. They will be happy not to have you complain about it, and you will be happy that you won't have them do that again. Its a win for everyone.

[Sirea]

Not entirely. My guild does not favor ourselves over others in the party. We got tired of the "give to guildies first" a long time ago, especially when our people were making things possible for others. If one of us decides to put something up for roll, then EVERYONE gets to roll on it. Your loot is your own of course, should you decide to keep it. We've gotten may a positive feedback from non-guildies about our fairness rule.

To me one of the perks of being in a guild is you watch out for each other. You run with these people every day, so why not hook them up first?

To the OP: the norm seems to be Guild > Friends > PuGs. If it bothers you that much, note guild name and don't run with them again.

You got your own roll on loot when you opened the chest, and I think people who expect a roll on other people's loot are presumptuous and greedy, much more so than the people who hook up guildies. If I'm in a mostly guild run with another guild and I see something drop that I'd like, sure I'll stick around to see if it's up for roll. However, I'm not going to throw a hissy-fit if I see it get passed to someone's guildy without a roll. I say "gratz" (and I mean it).

It's like, say, winning a raffle for something you don't want, but you know your best friend has been talking about wanting the item for ages. Would your first instinct be to give it to your best friend, or some person you've either never met or vaguely know?

[Impaqt]

If the Noxious Embers fell in your name... Would you Loot them? Or would you Put them up for roll? I mean, hey, the other 11 helped you compelte right? Everyone should have equal chance at your loot too right?

[Leadsides]

To me one of the perks of being in a guild is you watch out for each other. You run with these people every day, so why not hook them up first?

That's always a valid argument, but on a raid-by-raid basis, it's the whole group that gets you through, not just your guild, so in the interest of fairness to all if something is put up for roll, then put it up for everyone who participated. There are plenty of other perks about being in a guild to compensate. We grind quests for those who need it, free exchange of ingredients and what-have-you within the guild, etc.

There's one other thing to consider about letting everyone in on a loot roll: guild reputation. Everyone who knows our guild knows they get a fair treatment (unless your the guy who hits the portal to shroud part 5 before the clerics can shrine... then you're on your own.. ), and we have no problem getting really good raid groups together. Reputation is worth quite a lot and all those little things add up quickly.

Perhaps it's a server culture thing. I'm actually on Sarlona, and this is a Ghallanda forum. I replied here because I thought what the OP asked really applied across all the worlds (possibly a wrong assumption). Most Sarlona guilds operate like mine when it comes to quest loot. That's neither better nor worse than Ghallanda guilds' modus operandi, but it was worth mentioning.

[Drekisen]

All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Which also includes all the guildies and the person who pulled the item your drooling over. What was your point again?

This is how it is, if your name is on it in the chest, it's YOURS......that's it..end of discussion.

[Krag]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

You are just on the wrong server.

[sirgog]

I don't mind when guilds save loot for one another in raid chests, but I would like to know that is the plan when I join the group. I may not stay and help you earn Noxious Embers if I know I can't roll on it.

Just remember who does this - join their raids, then if an item drops for you, say 'oh, remember that Noxious Embers you didn't let me roll on? This is payback' as you loot a second Litany of the Dead that you would have let them roll on.

(Edit - only do this if one of their guild would have won the roll.)

[Deaths_ward]

Just remember who does this - join their raids, then if an item drops for you, say 'oh, remember that Noxious Embers you didn't let me roll on? This is payback' as you loot a second Litany of the Dead that you would have let them roll on.

I like your style. +1 For you.

[Deaths_ward]

Now, +Rep aside. I do believe that if you're pugging out the last spots of a guilded raid, and you intend for only guilded characters to roll on things you put up for roll you should say so before the raid starts to avoid hurt feelings, and moments when someone like me would grief the next raid to failure to prove a point of about courtesy.

I'm not in any way saying I'm entitled to loot that isn't mine, I'm saying that if you have prescribed loot distribution rules for your guild and you're pugging, let the pugs know, or it may, as Leadsides has implied, lead to your guild having a less than stellar reputation, and having difficulty filling pugs.