In-Guild Raid Loot Rolling

[Rheebus]

I don't mind when guilds save loot for one another in raid chests, but I would like to know that is the plan when I join the group. I may not stay and help you earn Noxious Embers if I know I can't roll on it.

[Impaqt]

Never expect anyone to give up their own loot for roll.

Tell me, If you pull the Noxious Embers, are YOU going to put it up for roll or are you going to just loot it?

I cant understand why I see so many threads like this.

Most people follow the same Raid loot protocol.

If I need it, I keep it.

If I dont need it, I give it to a Guildy.

If a Guildy doesnt need it, a friend would get it.

Then it goes up for roll.

[Rheebus]

Never expect anyone to give up their own loot for roll.

Tell me, If you pull the Noxious Embers, are YOU going to put it up for roll or are you going to just loot it?

I cant understand why I see so many threads like this.

Most people follow the same Raid loot protocol.

If I need it, I keep it.

If I dont need it, I give it to a Guildy.

If a Guildy doesnt need it, a friend would get it.

Then it goes up for roll.

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

[Freeman]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Maybe, maybe not. If it wasn't a raid item, would you still think you deserved a shot at it? A name doesn't change the fact that you are trying to say you deserve something that belongs to me.

[Lithic]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Simple fix, assume people will give priority to their guildies and friends over you. Problem solved.

[Comfortably]

Simple fix, assume people will give priority to their guildies and friends over you. Problem solved.

If you didn't pull the item or tome, DDO has already told you no dice tonight. It's their loot to do with what they want.

[Rheebus]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

[Drekisen]

All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

Which also includes all the guildies and the person who pulled the item your drooling over. What was your point again?

This is how it is, if your name is on it in the chest, it's YOURS......that's it..end of discussion.

[Eladiun]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

I tend to agree.... If your guild is too small and weak to make a full guild group, then everyone in the raid should be treated equally.

[Lorz]

I tend to agree.... If your guild is too small and weak to make a full guild group, then everyone in the raid should be treated equally.

Some of us don't exclude those who are not in our guild in raid rolls. And yes Thac0 is big enough not to have to pug....but this is our choice. Your loot your choice.

There is no wrong answer when it's your loot.

[Eladiun]

Some of us don't exclude those who are not in our guild in raid rolls. And yes Thac0 is big enough not to have to pug....but this is our choice. Your loot your choice.

There is no wrong answer when it's your loot.

Again, my guild currently doesn't have a good high level bard or a stalwart/intimi-tank type. So on Hound and VoD etc, we pug (mostly friends but an occasional pug when timers don't match up) those spots. Would it be fair to then exclude those folks from an open role when we would likely not have completed without them? No, it would not.

There may not be a wrong answer but there is a fair answer. If you need those folks to complete successfully then they deserve equal treatment on rolls. Now, I know there are some elite guilds who could six (or less) man and just bring others along for the heck of it which is a horse of a different color and choosing to join to pike out the raid with the hope of getting your pull and last chance on rolls is perfectly reasonable under those circumstances and you generally under stand going in that is the case.

[smatt]

Some of us don't exclude those who are not in our guild in raid rolls. And yes Thac0 is big enough not to have to pug....but this is our choice. Your loot your choice.

There is no wrong answer when it's your loot.

Exactly... Well except when guildies say "I'll pay 2 Lg Scales to whoever wins the roll for the item"

No really though... If you pull it, it's your's, how one guild handles it is their business... I prefer to allow PuGs to roll on raid loot.. But that's just me... You can bet your bottom dollar people that only allow guildies to roll on raid loot will be chomping at the bit to roll on a PuGs awesome item, while in the same raid keeping their awesome item(s) in guild.....

Who cares though... Your loot your loot...

[lolwatboomer]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

by that logic, everything should be put up for roll, regardless of who needs it/pulls it.. what if you were the one pulled Noxious Embers? You'd put it up for roll, right? We all got you to that chest, you didn't solo the raid.



The argument where "everyone helped" is a two-way street... because I could just as easily argue that I have the right to roll on everything that drops; I mean, I was in the quest and put my time towards the completion, so I deserve it as much as you, correct?

heh.

My philosophy is: your loot, your prerogative.

This is a Ghallanda forum. Each server has a different culture, here in pug raids if it goes up for roll, all can roll. it's just how it's done here.

are we playing on the same server?

[LeLoric]

If something drops that I don't need and someone I regularly run with needs it sure they will get it. Many times I may owe the person for something they passed to me recently.

[cpito]

If something drops that I don't need and someone I regularly run with needs it sure they will get it. Many times I may owe the person for something they passed to me recently.

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Oh and by the way all you pikers saying "yeah but I got you to that raid completion," well not necessarily. Just cuz you were there and in group doesn't mean you contributed jack shyte so get over yourself.

This. I have been many raids that have completed DESPITE some of the players tagging along (yes, including myself).

[Kirachan]

The argument where "everyone helped" is a two-way street... because I could just as easily argue that I have the right to roll on everything that drops; I mean, I was in the quest and put my time towards the completion, so I deserve it as much as you, correct?

Actually, you can just argue the other way round: Everyone did their part in completing the raid. For that, everyone gets a roll on the loot table. Same chance to get loot for everyone.
Now, if you're not happy with what the game gave you, that's hardly anyone else's business. Other people can help you complete the raid, but they cannot help you have luck.

[Morlen]

Unfortunatley, it's not a perfect world. While I am definetly not against guild sharing raid loot, I am against idiotic sharing of raid loot. I've been running Hound a lot on my ranger lately to get the DR tower shield. Last run I completed, two dropped. Awesome! Good chance of getting one! However, the people who set up the raid looked over the character list, saw no fighters or pallies, said "well, no one needs this." I said "hey, I'm TRing as a fighter, I need the sheild!" However, one was just given to a barbarian (barbarian, shield, what?) and the other was looted by a ranger who said "Psh, I'm not giving it to another ranger. I want it just to have it!"


... suxXxor. However, that's the way the cookie crumbled... I mean, it's not a total loss, no matter what my ranger is still 17 so he has a while before he can be TRed, and then I still have to level him back from 1 to 20... So I still have plenty of time to loot it, just aggrivating that I should have had it then.

As others have said though, their loot, their choice.

[exarkun]

Actually, you can just argue the other way round: Everyone did their part in completing the raid. For that, everyone gets a roll on the loot table. Same chance to get loot for everyone.
Now, if you're not happy with what the game gave you, that's hardly anyone else's business. Other people can help you complete the raid, but they cannot help you have luck.

This is not a valid point man, sorry. If your guild members don't want to share loot with non-Guild members they invite to group then don't open up the group to PUG's. Short man the quest, and share your loot with each other. Not a single person I know plays the game saying what you pull, is all you get.

I pug more than I run with my guild(I am a casual player) and the only guilds who I have grouped with that are more often then not fair about loot is ReRolled, and tohitarmorclasszero.

I understand your viewpoint, however its an arrogant one. You would never say that in an all guild run, but its very convenient when you have non-guild members in your group.

[Azzumi]

by that logic, everything should be put up for roll, regardless of who needs it/pulls it.. what if you were the one pulled Noxious Embers? You'd put it up for roll, right? We all got you to that chest, you didn't solo the raid.



The argument where "everyone helped" is a two-way street... because I could just as easily argue that I have the right to roll on everything that drops; I mean, I was in the quest and put my time towards the completion, so I deserve it as much as you, correct?

heh.

My philosophy is: your loot, your prerogative.



are we playing on the same server?

Well young skywalker it use to be like that ....2 items 100% drop...bound to leader and leader would put up items for roll.....so please make a thread for the DMs to do this agian ..please))))please ))))


This way me and Thriand can go and 2 man most raids...and easy to 6 man harder raids..VOD, HOUND, ABB, TOD....please have the DMs do this agian for us power gamers ..Please.....it sucks that the DMs change the system .....NOW YOU GET A ROLL WHEN YOU OPEN THE CHEST ,and alot of the power gamers say big deal let them come now that the dms change it...but back in the day would you see a power gaming guild put up a lfm for DQ..titian,...etc...lol even solo reaver to get 2 raid loot was the thing

....LOL NOW THEY CRY CAUSE THERE IS NO SECOND ROLL FOR THEM, STAND BY THE CHEST LIKE A DOG IN HEAT...YOU GOT YOUR ROLL WHEN YOU OPENED CHEST......

BUT AGIAN MAKE A REQUEST TO DMS TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAYS

[LeLoric]

Well young skywalker it use to be like that ....2 items 100% drop...bound to leader and leader would put up items for roll.....so please make a thread for the DMs to do this agian ..please))))please ))))


This way me and Thriand can go and 2 man most raids...and easy to 6 man harder raids..VOD, HOUND, ABB, TOD....please have the DMs do this agian for us power gamers ..Please.....it sucks that the DMs change the system .....NOW YOU GET A ROLL WHEN YOU OPEN THE CHEST ,and alot of the power gamers say big deal let them come now that the dms change it...but back in the day would you see a power gaming guild put up a lfm for DQ..titian,...etc...lol even solo reaver to get 2 raid loot was the thing

....LOL NOW THEY CRY CAUSE THERE IS NO SECOND ROLL FOR THEM, STAND BY THE CHEST LIKE A DOG IN HEAT...YOU GOT YOUR ROLL WHEN YOU OPENED CHEST......

BUT AGIAN MAKE A REQUEST TO DMS TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAYS

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