In-Guild Raid Loot Rolling

[Sirea]

Why am I not surprised?

What can I say, I don't (usually) attract the crazies...

I've heard some interesting things about your guild lately...seems there are less loyalists than you thought, hm?

[Chromus]

What can I say, I don't (usually) attract the crazies...

I've heard some interesting things about your guild lately...seems there are less loyalists than you thought, hm?

I pretty much had an exact meter on it and the dead weight is being removed with the quickness.

[Sirea]

I pretty much had an exact meter on it and the dead weight is being removed with the quickness.

I'm just happy to know that just about everyone who I have an ounce of respect for in your guild is moving on to better things. Voluntarily, even. So you can't even take the credit for all of it. Well, I suppose you can, but not in the way you are implying. In any case, makes it easier to weed out my friends when they apply for LFMs.

/end derail, sorry OP

[Chromus]

The only recruitment policy in Eutopia is to ask to be in. Once you're there if you can handle the combined barrage of mental beatdowns from Illum, Akira and Chromus you can either stay and deal with more or move on. But nobody gets booted (except Xenda) and nobody is denied entry.

[harold2560]

Isn't it a two way street. The 11 other people in a RAID helped you get to that chest. Why shouldn't they roll on your loot?

If i dont need the item, they DO get to roll on it.

Fundamentally, if the loot is your name it is your choice.

True.

I've refused to give a Levik's shield to another ranger before and past it to a fighter instead as all other players had recalled.

I dont see anything wrong with that. Like i said, class type items, IMO, get priority on being passed/rolled on.

It's a game. Different people have different rules, live with it. There is always the next 20, or someone might free sorry for me in my next run.

Also true. Im not going to harass people who i see pass loot and literally screw other people over. I will just note their name, guild name, and in the future i may not be willing to help them out if they need it.

Whether or not a short-guild raid will complete just because you joined or not is questionable. Most raids can be short manned by good guilds. Sometimes completions are much harder to get for small guilds who need to PUG.

If they could be short-manned, and im not saying they cant be, i know they can. Why are they filling up to 12 people? insurance? So your bringing me along as insurance so you dont fail to complete? Sounds like by needing insurance of a full group to complete a raid, you do, in fact, need a full group to complete or you would have short-manned it.

Timezones mean even large guilds might not have enough players for full raids at various times, or they might have multiple alts and timers mean that not all slots can be filled.

If you have a small guild that cannot fill the key roles of a raid for whatever reason, this is even more cause to be fair with the loot drops. If i come kite a ToD for you and you pass the achmage ring to a guildie without giving me the option to roll on it. Ill remember that, and i wont come play an important role in your raids ever again. Additionally If i HEAL your raid and you pass loot that i would like to chance to roll on, thats BS too. I cant stand a group that puts up and LFM with 10 spots filled none of which are a healer, and expects the healer that comes and makes their raid possible to be ok with getting the shaft when that final chest is opened.

The possibilities are endless. So as I said above - never assume. If it's your name it's your choice. If its an important item for someone, then there is never a rush. In fact the fighter I mentioned above rolled a 1 - but he waited. Even though I would pass to a guild first - since I'm more likely to get more from helping my primary playing group - I would have done the same in the future.

I agree with that statement. The part about you passing the levik sheild to the fighter over the ranger stands out and i commend that. That fighter is now more likely to remember that act of generosity and one day when you need a kiter for ToD, or a healer for whatever raid, that fighter might just have an alt that can help you out. As for the ranger, Im not sure on his build or gaming style, but normally i dont see very many rangers running around with tower sheilds, so im inclined to think that he doesnt really need the sheild he is just being greedy.

[Irinis]

I still don't quite understand this whole thing. Still new to the game I guess...

When I was mainly pugging, sure it was frustrating to see an item I wanted get passed to a guildie of the puller... but I never blamed them for it. If I join a guild run, I expect that guild run to go smoother than a random pug precisely BECAUSE guildies take care of each other in terms of gear. Plus a lot of the more established guilds end up having all the raid loot they want on their characters sooner than random puggers... so if it's a lot of level 20s I might have even more chance of getting what I want from that raid because they've already got it. Then, a guild run with a couple of free spots for puggers means a chance to learn new tactics, and a big likelihood of one more completion to 20 compared to a random pug. These are two very awesome things joining a guild run gives me, any loot is extra awesomesauce!

I've been surprised by people offering to pay the puller for loot their guildies rolled on, and completing the transaction right in front of everyone. I've been surprised by people ninja passing stuff to me.

Because of one incident where my former guild leader was allowed to roll on an item he obviously couldn't use and was obviously going to pass to me, I thought that was ok... nobody said anything.... but afterwards when the awkward silence stretched out and I asked what was going on but the person who had the second highest roll then recalled and told my former guild leader he was surprised at his actions, as if it was a SUPERBAD THING... I started really wondering. My former guild leader told me he gave the guy two scales to make up for it.

I still don't know how that was so evil of me to pull Tharne's Goggles after the second highest roller recalled and the highest roller passed them to me.

I hope it wasn't evil of me to pull the Bracers of the Glacier on my first VOD on my lvl14 FvS when a guildie passed them to me. It was a great team I put together. It was such a perfect run and that just put perfect raidfrosting on perfect raidcake. I will remember that particular run for the rest of my life.

You play with your guildies every day. You know their character's hopes and dreams. You cheer them on to success. And in a raid, every completion gives each of us one more to 20.

Do I love it when it's my turn to roll high and I get what I want? Absolutely. Am I disappointed when I don't get what I want? Absolutely... and am I super disappointed when it's something I won't have a chance at for another 3 reincarnations? Totally... but I can also sincerely congratulate the winner and be vicariously happy that someone got SOMETHING cool!

We all have our moments in the sun. Maybe it's ok to let someone else shine sometimes without resenting that it's their day... and maybe it's ok to really enjoy it when it's ours.

[Chette]

As far as I'm concerned if loot drops for you, it's yours. You can do whatever you want with it. Keep it, sell it, give it to another person, put it up for roll, put restrictions on who can roll on it, whatever. I never expect others to let me roll on their loot. If they do, that's great, but it's theirs and they can do with it as they wish.

[Thriand]

Just remember who does this - join their raids, then if an item drops for you, say 'oh, remember that Noxious Embers you didn't let me roll on? This is payback' as you loot a second Litany of the Dead that you would have let them roll on.

(Edit - only do this if one of their guild would have won the roll.)

silly sirgog everyone knows that the litany of the dead is exclusive, you have to delete your old one first

[oberon131313]

I don't mind when guilds save loot for one another in raid chests, but I would like to know that is the plan when I join the group. I may not stay and help you earn Noxious Embers if I know I can't roll on it.

it sucks to learn at first, but you soon remember which guilds do this, and then you don't run with them without that knowledge. I know if I run with specific guilds, I won't have a shot at their loot, so I tend to avoid them (though I will run with them if I'm in the mood, I just know it's only what I pull). It's amusing to see that these guilds tend to have more trouble filling groups than guilds with an open loot policy, though...

[Sweets]

silly sirgog everyone knows that the litany of the dead is exclusive, you have to delete your old one first

Lol your such an a$$ Thri.
Nice one. hehe
I think your the only one to catch that. So you coming back to game?

[Thriand]

Lol your such an a$$ Thri.
Nice one. hehe
I think your the only one to catch that. So you coming back to game?

I've been able to log a couple hours here and there... I'm not in uber powergamer mode right now though

[lolwatboomer]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

by that logic, everything should be put up for roll, regardless of who needs it/pulls it.. what if you were the one pulled Noxious Embers? You'd put it up for roll, right? We all got you to that chest, you didn't solo the raid.



The argument where "everyone helped" is a two-way street... because I could just as easily argue that I have the right to roll on everything that drops; I mean, I was in the quest and put my time towards the completion, so I deserve it as much as you, correct?

heh.

My philosophy is: your loot, your prerogative.

This is a Ghallanda forum. Each server has a different culture, here in pug raids if it goes up for roll, all can roll. it's just how it's done here.

are we playing on the same server?

[LeLoric]

If something drops that I don't need and someone I regularly run with needs it sure they will get it. Many times I may owe the person for something they passed to me recently.

[Kirachan]

The argument where "everyone helped" is a two-way street... because I could just as easily argue that I have the right to roll on everything that drops; I mean, I was in the quest and put my time towards the completion, so I deserve it as much as you, correct?

Actually, you can just argue the other way round: Everyone did their part in completing the raid. For that, everyone gets a roll on the loot table. Same chance to get loot for everyone.
Now, if you're not happy with what the game gave you, that's hardly anyone else's business. Other people can help you complete the raid, but they cannot help you have luck.

[Morlen]

Unfortunatley, it's not a perfect world. While I am definetly not against guild sharing raid loot, I am against idiotic sharing of raid loot. I've been running Hound a lot on my ranger lately to get the DR tower shield. Last run I completed, two dropped. Awesome! Good chance of getting one! However, the people who set up the raid looked over the character list, saw no fighters or pallies, said "well, no one needs this." I said "hey, I'm TRing as a fighter, I need the sheild!" However, one was just given to a barbarian (barbarian, shield, what?) and the other was looted by a ranger who said "Psh, I'm not giving it to another ranger. I want it just to have it!"


... suxXxor. However, that's the way the cookie crumbled... I mean, it's not a total loss, no matter what my ranger is still 17 so he has a while before he can be TRed, and then I still have to level him back from 1 to 20... So I still have plenty of time to loot it, just aggrivating that I should have had it then.

As others have said though, their loot, their choice.

[exarkun]

I see I am totally out-opinioned here.

I agree with you, guilds using pugs to help fill in a raid group or 6 man group, should let people know they will be a$$ed out on loot rolls before the quest starts. If you want a guild only run, then don't use pugs to fill in the empty slots of the group because you guys cant finish the quest with only guild members.

Now it dose not surprise me, because the point of DDO really is loot. Certain items can greatly increase the power of your build, and it's an incredible grind to get most of these items built, so people get greedy when they see something they want.

It is in bad taste, but it should not surprise anyone. What dose surprise me is when people are nice and are fair with loot.

[exarkun]

Actually, you can just argue the other way round: Everyone did their part in completing the raid. For that, everyone gets a roll on the loot table. Same chance to get loot for everyone.
Now, if you're not happy with what the game gave you, that's hardly anyone else's business. Other people can help you complete the raid, but they cannot help you have luck.

This is not a valid point man, sorry. If your guild members don't want to share loot with non-Guild members they invite to group then don't open up the group to PUG's. Short man the quest, and share your loot with each other. Not a single person I know plays the game saying what you pull, is all you get.

I pug more than I run with my guild(I am a casual player) and the only guilds who I have grouped with that are more often then not fair about loot is ReRolled, and tohitarmorclasszero.

I understand your viewpoint, however its an arrogant one. You would never say that in an all guild run, but its very convenient when you have non-guild members in your group.

[Mosch]

Exarkun, I think the basic idea was that there are no loot rules. You get what the game gives you, end of story. Everything else is an arbitrary system which is not enforced in any way.
That being said, I offer my loot for roll, if I actually find anything and I don't need it. I know for a fact Kirachan does the same. However, if I find a monk item and my guild monk buddy is in our group, I give the item to him if he wants it, no roll necessary. I don't see the problem with it. Would anyone be angry if I looted the item myself instead of putting it up for roll? What if I found Lorrik's Necklace in a hound run and loot it as a wizard, would that somehow be more acceptable than giving it to my cleric buddy?

Honestly, I think this whole problem seems constructed.... as if it was something that wouldn't actually come up during the game. In any way, I operate on a simple "Not my loot"-basis: If you find something, you decide what you want to do with it. Put it up for roll, give it to a friend, vendor it if you want to, if I did not pull it, I can't lose it.

Maybe I just play with the right people, I have never seen an argument about loot

[wamjratl1]

Holy Shyte, Really?!??!?! We 're still talking about loot rolling? Peter, Paul, and Mary, do whatever you want with your fudging loot who gives a shyte? If you pull it its yours. Keep it. Give it away. Shove it up your hole for all I care. You can let me roll on it or not. If you don't I might be pyssed but I promise I'll get over it and do you really give a **** if I'm pyssed? Well, you shouldn't. Cuz I don't and nobody else does either so shut up and loot and let loot. Holy Mary I swear to God you'll get another chance at that loot it's not like the **** doesn't drop every ficking day omg i can't believe people are still all bent about loot passing / rolling.

Oh and by the way all you pikers saying "yeah but I got you to that raid completion," well not necessarily. Just cuz you were there and in group doesn't mean you contributed jack shyte so get over yourself. I pike along with the best of them and have no illusions that I'm contributing jack when I know sometimes I'm not. So being in the group does not give me the right to roll on anything that that the owner doesn't want me to roll on. If they let me roll, HOORAY! If they don't, at least I got a chance to pull the loot myself but OH WELL I wasn't so lucky but maybe next time. Whatever.

And also if I pull something I can't use it goes for roll to the whole party 99% of the time but that's how I do it I have no right to impose that on anyone else.

Calm down and play the game. You'll get your loot eventually.

[smatt]

Holy Shyte, Really?!??!?! We 're still talking about loot rolling? Peter, Paul, and Mary, do whatever you want with your fudging loot who gives a shyte? If you pull it its yours. Keep it. Give it away. Shove it up your hole for all I care. You can let me roll on it or not. If you don't I might be pyssed but I promise I'll get over it and do you really give a **** if I'm pyssed? Well, you shouldn't. Cuz I don't and nobody else does either so shut up and loot and let loot. Holy Mary I swear to God you'll get another chance at that loot it's not like the **** doesn't drop every ficking day omg i can't believe people are still all bent about loot passing / rolling.

Oh and by the way all you pikers saying "yeah but I got you to that raid completion," well not necessarily. Just cuz you were there and in group doesn't mean you contributed jack shyte so get over yourself. I pike along with the best of them and have no illusions that I'm contributing jack when I know sometimes I'm not. So being in the group does not give me the right to roll on anything that that the owner doesn't want me to roll on. If they let me roll, HOORAY! If they don't, at least I got a chance to pull the loot myself but OH WELL I wasn't so lucky but maybe next time. Whatever.

And also if I pull something I can't use it goes for roll to the whole party 99% of the time but that's how I do it I have no right to impose that on anyone else.

Calm down and play the game. You'll get your loot eventually.

Man.... You didn't have to kill that puppy while posting this