In-Guild Raid Loot Rolling

[v8gremlin]

It's true, make raid loot that benefits a specific class the most, but also other classes to a lsr degree. Then make sure there is nothing else worthwhile in that raid so that everyone wants that one item, whether or not they get full benefits.....

But here's a thought, maybe all raids should have tokens instead of raid loot, you get a few tokens, trade em in for a raid item that you choose. Raid loot fights solved. You get what you want, nothing is ever up for roll, and if someone wants to pass a token to a guildy or mate, so be it.

While your at it over the next 6 months making this change ddo, could you also make all the tod rings only give the additional benefits to the associated pre's, even if its incremental to how many tiers of the pre you have. It hasn't happened to me but I would really like to see these barbs that think the benefits of a shintao ring outway wasting 2 slots...And yes it is 2 slots, a wisdom ring really doesn't help a barb much at all, and +1str dont stack with encrusted, then you waste a neck slot to get the set bonus. Oh yay, you crit for 8pts more damage, so you can boast about a 558crit instead of a 550, but wouldn't you think a triple guard item would up to more damage....especially since barbs are always the main tank cause they do the most dps....but i digress...

[UnderwearModel]

It goes up for roll. For me, half of the fun is actually pulling an item that I want.

All other loot in the chest I fully realize is not mine and it is that person's to with as they choose. This is a game, not life and death. I am not playing to be the most uberest. I assume my game style speaks for itself.

If most others die and I am still running around, I am uber. If I die, and others are running around, I am not uber.

[Eladiun]

I get your point. All I am sayin' is that we ALL got you to that chest, not just your guildies.

I tend to agree.... If your guild is too small and weak to make a full guild group, then everyone in the raid should be treated equally.

[v8gremlin]

Personally if im in a raid and something drops that i dont need, it goes up for roll for the party, with some exceptions. If I believe it benefits a specific class more than others, I will often say that class roll on it, if they dont want it or have it then everyone else can free for all on it.

I have run with a guild barb and a non guild barb in tod, the non guild barb won the encrusted ring when i put it up for roll. I dont have a problem with this.

If i see an item in a chest automatically passed to a someones guildy so be it, I will remember not to be generous to those people (ie if said barb above had done that in a previous raid he wouldn't have gotten to roll on ring - it woulda gone str8 to guildy).

Treat others how you wanna get treated. If you only run with guildies this aint ever gonna be a problem. But if you run with pugs, you never know what your gonna see.

This can backfire too though...some ppl are just d@#^s (not raid loot as such but you get the idea)
me - shard of pwr for roll, if your crafting this run
guildy - rolls
d@#$ - rolls (and wins)
me - so your crafing this run
d@#$ - yes, have crafting planner minimised already
me - ok (passes it over)
end of raid rolls around, anyone recalling.....
me- makes a point in party chat about how much of a lying, greedy piece of work d@#$ is for recalling out when he said he was crafting
d@#$ - oh i forgot sry
me - passes the word around through a few channels
subsequently get a tell for me to stop badmouthing him........

Moral of the story, do what ya want with your loot, im still gonna be somewhat generous if i dont need it, but with this sort of stuff not being one off, i dont expect everyone to take this chance. Look at the bright side, if you run with a majority guild group, whether they keep the stuff between themselves or not, your more likely to get the raid finished than an average pug. Thats one more completion towards picking your own stuff from a list.....

[Potvin]

It goes up for roll. For me, half of the fun is actually pulling an item that I want.

All other loot in the chest I fully realize is not mine and it is that person's to with as they choose. This is a game, not life and death. I am not playing to be the most uberest. I assume my game style speaks for itself.

If most others die and I am still running around, I am uber. If I die, and others are running around, I am not uber.

Good summary.

If you aren't in a successful raid, you aren't getting any loot period. Expecting everyone to inform you of their loot choices on loot they pull is silly. You could be in a raid with 11 people - 5 of who will do group first, 6 who will do guild first. What will you do then? Not join until you find a group of 11 who will all do group rolls? What happens when said group gets an uber drop and someone goes back on their word? More forum rage?

Although I guess it is update Monday, and we needed a good drama thread to get the week going.

[harold2560]

Loot passing is utter BS and i have nothing for those that practice it. If you don't need the item then let it roll. If you pass it to a guildie you are screwing the other people who helped YOU complete the raid. If you didn't need them to help you complete the raid, why did you bring them?

In my guild we have a strict policy of no loot passing. All raids we run, whether full guild, or if there are puggers along for the ride are done this way. If someone does not need the item it is put up for all party members to roll on. This is the only fair way to do things.

The only exception to this policy is that ToD rings don't necessarily go up for roll to everyone in the raid. If it is a class specific item like the encrusted ring, only barbarians in the party will be allowed to roll for it. If there is only one barbarian in the party and he doesn't have one, he gets it. If the barbs don't need/want it, then the rest of the party can roll on it.

[SirAggravator]

I might have misread this- but if something is put up for a roll then everyone should be included.
I'd personally have a problem with making a roll friends-only and excluding people. I guess just don't group with them if that's the way they "roll" (pun intended ).

[Lorz]

I tend to agree.... If your guild is too small and weak to make a full guild group, then everyone in the raid should be treated equally.

Some of us don't exclude those who are not in our guild in raid rolls. And yes Thac0 is big enough not to have to pug....but this is our choice. Your loot your choice.

There is no wrong answer when it's your loot.

[Bodic]

Go into a raid and expect your completion, You will have a really good chance over the course of 20 runs. Never expect to get anything. I dont. I have some choice raid loot aswell. I give it away as needed, and I run as many guild only raids as possible. short manning everything even TOD is possible.

[Logicman69]

Now, +Rep aside. I do believe that if you're pugging out the last spots of a guilded raid, and you intend for only guilded characters to roll on things you put up for roll you should say so before the raid starts to avoid hurt feelings, and moments when someone like me would grief the next raid to failure to prove a point of about courtesy..

Sorry man, Griefing is never appropriate. So you don't get to roll on an item on a run, then the next run with this guild you grief the raid to failure just so you can prove a point? What about the PUGs who joined that raid to get a win? Is it fair to them that you had to fail the raid just to prove a point about raid loot that wasn't yours to begin with? Sorry, that's just not cool.

Whatever drops for you, is yours to do with as you please. I PUG exclusivly, since my guild is pretty much nul and void at this point. I never enter a raid/quest thinking that I will get to roll on raid gear. If I am given the chance, great. If not, no big deal. 3 days and I can run it again for another shot (and one step closer to my 20th/40th/60th).

[Krag]

Sorry man, Griefing is never appropriate. So you don't get to roll on an item on a run, then the next run with this guild you grief the raid to failure just so you can prove a point? What about the PUGs who joined that raid to get a win? Is it fair to them that you had to fail the raid just to prove a point about raid loot that wasn't yours to begin with? Sorry, that's just not cool.

Vendoring Litany does not cause the raid to fail. On the contrary, you have to succeed to pull the stunt.

[emptysands]

Loot passing is utter BS and i have nothing for those that practice it. If you don't need the item then let it roll. If you pass it to a guildie you are screwing the other people who helped YOU complete the raid. If you didn't need them to help you complete the raid, why did you bring them?

In my guild we have a strict policy of no loot passing. All raids we run, whether full guild, or if there are puggers along for the ride are done this way. If someone does not need the item it is put up for all party members to roll on. This is the only fair way to do things.

The only exception to this policy is that ToD rings don't necessarily go up for roll to everyone in the raid. If it is a class specific item like the encrusted ring, only barbarians in the party will be allowed to roll for it. If there is only one barbarian in the party and he doesn't have one, he gets it. If the barbs don't need/want it, then the rest of the party can roll on it.

Isn't it a two way street. The 11 other people in a RAID helped you get to that chest. Why shouldn't they roll on your loot?

Fundamentally, if the loot is your name it is your choice.

I've refused to give a Levik's shield to another ranger before and past it to a fighter instead as all other players had recalled. Equally I've run 20 VODs, starred many of them, and been shafted by the 20th end reward on the goggles.

It's a game. Different people have different rules, live with it. There is always the next 20, or someone might free sorry for me in my next run.

Whether or not a short-guild raid will complete just because you joined or not is questionable. Most raids can be short manned by good guilds. Sometimes completions are much harder to get for small guilds who need to PUG.

Timezones mean even large guilds might not have enough players for full raids at various times, or they might have multiple alts and timers mean that not all slots can be filled.

The possibilities are endless. So as I said above - never assume. If it's your name it's your choice. If its an important item for someone, then there is never a rush. In fact the fighter I mentioned above rolled a 1 - but he waited. Even though I would pass to a guild first - since I'm more likely to get more from helping my primary playing group - I would have done the same in the future.

[WarNite]

First let me say that I am fine with raid loot being passed to guildies or friends but, if the party leader plans to go that route it would be nice for him/her to tell the party before the raid starts. That way everyone is on the same page when the time comes to loot the warded chest! If u don't like it and r felling unlucky about your own chances to pull that raid item u need then leave and wait for another raid to form. If u are a pugger and there are a couple guilds that fill the majority of the group please realize that u are all a team until u get to the end chest, then you are most likely on your own! simple! is it fair? debatable!

The first four months I played this game I was unguilded and honestly didn't even spend the time to look at other peoples loot in the chest that much as I didn't care, only counted on my own chances for loot except for some raids that I didn't already know every item that drops and was curious as to what I could pull in the future. I was not in a guild, not many friends, therfore didn't expect anything from anyone! I was on my own and it did not take away 1 ounce of fun for me whatsoever.

Actually, to tell the truth when a guild member or a friend passes me something I need in the chest I am very happy and thankfull but at the same time not as happy as I could be if I pulled the item myself. When I pulled the napkin on my first toon (wiz) I literally was jumping up and down in my chair with joy. When I pull something I don't need and offer it up for roll to the WHOLE raid it makes me feel really good and I can't help but feel karma will hit me back in the future. Play the game to have fun, expect nothing from nobody, depend on your own luck.

[grodon9999]

As long as it's specified what's going on before hand all's far in love, war, and raid looting. If you're doing a 8 guild/4 PUG run and intend on passing loot to guildies first just spell it out before hand so if anyone has an issue with this they can join another run.

My personal opinion is that anyone who helped you complete the quest should have an equal shot at loot rolls. People need to have a little sense though, a fighter shouldn't roll on a Torq, neither should a 100% heal-specced FvS roll on Tharnes or Madstone Boots.

[ValdeBeren]

So I jump into another guild's TOD run last night on my assassin III rogue, admittedly by invitation rather than pugging it, and as soon as I join the group get told that the guild's rogue will get passed the Whisper ring if it drops, it wont be up for roll.

Is this cause for forum drama? Not at all. Having been in several runs with this guild, I know that they usually operate a strict policy of allocating rings by need (and not just to guildies), and the reason for the change in policy was that their guild rogue had been searching for some time for the ring, without success.

For me, this wasnt an issue at all - forsaking the chance to roll on an item which may or may not appear in one run is a small price to pay for the chance to do multiple runs with a good group, who I know will pass me rings in the future if/when the opportunity arises

[Freeman]

As long as it's specified what's going on before hand all's far in love, war, and raid looting. If you're doing a 8 guild/4 PUG run and intend on passing loot to guildies first just spell it out before hand so if anyone has an issue with this they can join another run.

This is the part that I just don't understand. Why should a guild member have to specify what they are going to do with their loot? If two pug members plan on passing loot to each other, do they have to announce it ahead of time? No, because they are perfectly within their rights to do so under the "Your loot is your loot" policy, and no one would come whine about it on the forums. But if a guild member did this with other guild members, it becomes a bad thing that must be specified ahead of time. If I were following some obscure loot rules, I would indeed specify them ahead of time, but that is not the case. I am simply doing what I want to do with my loot. If someone has a problem with the "Your loot is your loot" policy, please specify it ahead of time so that I can boot you(Whoever it may be) from my raid and avoid having to read another whining post about not being allowed to roll on someone else's loot.

[Eladiun]

Some of us don't exclude those who are not in our guild in raid rolls. And yes Thac0 is big enough not to have to pug....but this is our choice. Your loot your choice.

There is no wrong answer when it's your loot.

Again, my guild currently doesn't have a good high level bard or a stalwart/intimi-tank type. So on Hound and VoD etc, we pug (mostly friends but an occasional pug when timers don't match up) those spots. Would it be fair to then exclude those folks from an open role when we would likely not have completed without them? No, it would not.

There may not be a wrong answer but there is a fair answer. If you need those folks to complete successfully then they deserve equal treatment on rolls. Now, I know there are some elite guilds who could six (or less) man and just bring others along for the heck of it which is a horse of a different color and choosing to join to pike out the raid with the hope of getting your pull and last chance on rolls is perfectly reasonable under those circumstances and you generally under stand going in that is the case.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I'll simplify it for others: If it doesn't drop for you, assume it won't be up for roll. That covers every possible circumstance, and won't lead to disappointment. I'll give my loot to whoever I want to have it, by whatever priority I decide is most important. If you think otherwise, I'll let you know where to send the money to supplement what I pay to play the game.

Let me add to that:

Whenever you are on a guild run and DO get a chance to roll on items, consider that the person who did that is just a really nice guy(or gal). I do it(unless I know a particular guildie/friend is looking for the item before we get started -edit- though I've yet to be in that situation), and I was on a Shroud run with Renowned where they put up a shard for roll and gave it to me when I won, but just don't consider it the norm. Oh, and thank them when they do that for ye...makes em more likely to do it in the future!

[grodon9999]

This is the part that I just don't understand. Why should a guild member have to specify what they are going to do with their loot? If two pug members plan on passing loot to each other, do they have to announce it ahead of time? No, because they are perfectly within their rights to do so under the "Your loot is your loot" policy, and no one would come whine about it on the forums. But if a guild member did this with other guild members, it becomes a bad thing that must be specified ahead of time. If I were following some obscure loot rules, I would indeed specify them ahead of time, but that is not the case. I am simply doing what I want to do with my loot. If someone has a problem with the "Your loot is your loot" policy, please specify it ahead of time so that I can boot you(Whoever it may be) from my raid and avoid having to read another whining post about not being allowed to roll on someone else's loot.

This is a Ghallanda forum. Each server has a different culture, here in pug raids if it goes up for roll, all can roll. it's just how it's done here.

Again, you can do whatever you want as your loot is your loot. Just don't forget that 11 other guys got you to that chest as well. The "all can roll" philosophy is just my opinion, probably from what i've seen pug-raiding here.

[Chromus]

However, I'm Not Going To Throw A Hissy-fit

Lol