My Drow Archer Build... Need Input !

[DiabolicalMcGurt]

I'm relatively new at DDO, so I need some input. Don't call me a noob or anything or be disrespectful. That happens enough for asking questions in game. Anyways, the goal was to build an archer that could do great damage with ranged weapons and also excell as a rogue. Here's my first build. How does it look?

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MaXiMuMcGuRt 
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male
(4 Rogue \ 16 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 232
Spell Points: 200 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 24
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength              8                 12                   12
Dexterity            18                 25                   30
Constitution         12                 16                   16
Intelligence         20                 26                   26
Wisdom                8                 12                   12
Charisma             10                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+4 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+4 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               6                 10                   10
Bluff                 6                  6                    6
Concentration         3                  3                    3
Diplomacy             6                  9                    9
Disable Device       11                 32                   33
Haggle                6                 25                   25
Heal                  2                  3                    3
Hide                 10                 33                   40
Intimidate            2                  2                    2
Jump                  5                 24                   24
Listen                5                 24                   26
Move Silently        10                 33                   38
Open Lock            10                 33                   34
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                7                  8                    8
Search               11                 31                   37
Spot                  5                 24                   32
Swim                  2                  4                    4
Tumble                7                 12                   12
Use Magic Device      6                 26                   26

{\b {\ul Notable Equipment }} \par Conner's Pendant \par Globe of Imperial Blood \par Shimmering Arrowhead \par Dusk Heart \par Bloodstone \par Nyoko's Necklace \par Helm of the Black Dragon \par Muffled Veneer \par Goggles of Intuition \par Intricate Field Optics \par Kundarak Delving Goggles \par Lenses of Doom \par Sandstorm Goggles \par Black Dragonhide Armor \par Desecrated Leathers \par Dusk \par Elocator's Habiliment (Upgraded) \par Essence of the Scout \par Bracers of the Demon's Consort \par Steady Handed Armbands \par Ventilated Bracers \par Tharne's Bracers \par Connor's Band \par Ring of Shadows \par Ring of Troll's Regeneration \par Whisper Ring \par Dustless Boots \par Backstabber's Gloves \par Gloves of Gnoll Hide \par Connor's Band \par Gilvaenor's Ring \par Ring of Lies \par Ring of Shadows \par Whisper Ring \par Purging the Pantheon \par Trapsmith's Toolbelt \par Accomplice \par Cloak of Shadows \par Cloak of the Zephyr \par Mantle of the Worldshaper \par Wretched Twilight \par Xoriat Forged Blade \par Treason \par Bow of the Elements (Air) \par Bow of the Elements (Ice) \par Ghostbane Longbow \par Tortured Livewood Longbow \par +5 Screaming Amethyst Arrow \par  \par Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Dragon
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Ranger Spot I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Move Silently
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Haggle (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Human
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Elven Perception II
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes I
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Disable Device (+1.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (2): Barkskin
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Cat's Grace
Spell (2): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (2): Hold Animal
Spell (2): Mass Camouflage
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Protection From Energy
Spell (2): Snare
Spell (2): Spike Growth
Spell (2): Summon Nature's Ally II
Enhancement: Ranger Hide III


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense II
Enhancement: Ranger Spot II


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Hide
Enhancement: Elven Keen Eyes II
Enhancement: Ranger Spot III


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Precise Shot
Spell (3): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (3): Neutralize Poison
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Summon Nature's Ally III
Spell (3): Wild Instincts


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Hide IV
Enhancement: Ranger Spot IV
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity III


Level 15 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense III


Level 16 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (4): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Mass Longstrider
Spell (4): Summon Nature's Ally IV


Level 17 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Goblinoid
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III


Level 18 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Shot on the Run
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+7)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Ranger Search II


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance II
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance III
Enhancement: Ranger Desert Lore I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I don't like the 8 Str.

I wouldn't go any higher than 16 Int on a Drow, non-Wizard.

[DiabolicalMcGurt]

Thanks. I only put the points in INT for the skill points. Then ended up taking thing I didn't even want, so that seems like a pretty valid point. Also, I looked and there isn't a way to put those tomes on is there?

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Thanks. I only put the points in INT for the skill points. Then ended up taking thing I didn't even want, so that seems like a pretty valid point. Also, I looked and there isn't a way to put those tomes on is there?

I believe the char generator lets you add tomes.
But I sledom use it.

There is a lot more I could add. You don't really need a high Int at all. It's up to you haw many skil syou want to keep maxed. Some Rogue skills can get by with less....like Open Locks for one. Rgrs get six skil points per level.

But if you went with a 14 Int I think you could keep: Hide, MS, Spot, Search, OL, DD, & UMD maxed out. Most people wouldn't even go that far. As they value physical stats more.

Str, Con, and Dex are all important for a combatant.
Wisdom is also needed for rgr spells, but you can use a stat item for that if needed.

Char is the lowest importance for this kind of build. I like Cha on a Rogue, but you need to make some sacrifices to get what it seems you want. So keep it at 10 IMO.

Maybe 14 Str, 12 Con, 16 Dex, 14 or 16 Int depending on if you really want another skill maxed....like Jump. (always put one rank in Tumble though.) And whatever is left in Wisdom. Could also try to get Con up to 14 and sacrifice Wisdom, I think that would be more main-stream advice.
The more I think about it, try to get by with a 14 Int....see if you can get the seven main skills I mentioned aboved , maxed. I think there will still be some skill points left over.

But that's just my opinion, as I like balanced builds.... most people will tell yo to put a lot more into Str and Con. And their advice is not bad advice.

[GhoulsTouch]

I want a plus 4 tome for all my stats...

[DiabolicalMcGurt]

It's a working build. There won't be any +4 tomes right now. I can buy the +2 tomes, but do I have to wait to apply those?

[honkuimushi]

You're really better off with an elf. You get bonuses with Bows and you can max out the Arcane Archer enhancements without 18 levels of Ranger. Something like this should work for a 28 pt build:
Str 14
Dex 18
Con 12
Int 14
Wis 8
Chr 8

Go with a Ranger 12/ Fighter 6/ Rogue 2 split and take all AA enhancements plus Kensai I. You'll still have disabling skills, decent stealth and much better ranged damage than your proposed build.

A lot of your feats are off too. The skill focuses don't help you much and niether does the Shot on the Run chain. You'll definitely want Point Blank Shot, Weapon Focus: Ranged and Mental Toughness for AA and Toughness just because hp are good.

For Favored Enemies the consensus is usually that Undead and Evil Outsider are the 2 best and that Giant, Construct, Elemental, and Abberation are strong too, and probably in that order.

One last note, +4 tomes are increadably rare. For a new player, I would limit myself to no more than +2s for planning purposes.

[unbongwah]

Here's my first build. How does it look?

Honestly? Terrible.

INT's way too high, STR's way too low. Your feats are a mess. You didn't even take a ranger PrE. You don't need more than 1 or 2 rogue levels. Unless this is a twice-TRed char, you won't have 32 pts to spend on a drow. And even if you did have +4 tomes to all stats, you couldn't take them at level 1.

So let's back up. You say you want an archer with rogue skills? Then I think your best bet is an Arcane Archer who is mostly ranger: something like rogue 1 / ranger 18 with a splash of fighter, monk, or maybe even barbarian or wizard. [Could also do rogue 2 / ranger 18, but I think a splash of something else adds more.]

What do you actually have to work with, in terms of races, classes, build pts, etc.?