WF 13rogue/6fighter/1barbarian - need some feedback

[Sepulchr]

Good evening all,

I am fairly new to DDO but so far I really love the challenge and I have been messing around with build templates from the forums less than level 10. I have unlocked 32point builds with favour and I pay per month. So at first I tried looking for builds to immitate at first but could not find anything that suited what I really wanted so I came up with this build on my own. The goal was a stealth TWF Warforged capable of pretty good dps and at least full traps search and spot for utility, trying my best to get a decent amount of haggle, balance and UMD which i think looks good.. ( note that throughout fighter levels I kept feeding 2 clicks to UMD intead of jump or repair)

Please give as much constructive feedback/criticism as you have the energy to:

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Inyskr 
Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(6 Fighter \ 1 Barbarian \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 324
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 14
Will: 4

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   22
Dexterity            16                 17                   18
Constitution         16                 16                   18
Intelligence         14                 14                   14
Wisdom                6                  6                    6
Charisma              6                  6                    6

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               5                    15
Bluff                -2                     3
Concentration         3                     5
Diplomacy             2                     3
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle                2                    15
Heal                 -2                    -2
Hide                  5                    17
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  5                    17
Listen               -2                    -2
Move Silently         7                    26
Open Lock             5                    14
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                5                    17
Search                6                    25
Spot                  2                    21
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      2                    20

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Repair (+3)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Repair (+2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking I
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Warforged Construct Thinking II


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+3)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Repair (+5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I

Firstly, I do not know how to give you an AC breakdown correctly so I do not wish to try, although I expect that I should work on it as this might be important.
Also, I am aware that Khopeshes are expensive but with all the bonus feats I thought it was worth taking and working for.. If you really think Scimis are a better option for me (have not gone to 20 yet) then please say so


I have several questions and comments:

1. Am I overdoing the sneak damage and not getting enough diplo to handle any aggro (if this build could even get aggro)?
2. I read somewhere that taking the rogue levels last would maximize my skill points, is this true? and if not, please offer guidance on the optimal choice in this regard.
3. I had initially tried to start 15 DEX and 17 CON but this didn't work out for ITWF and GTWF so I went 16 16 aiming for a +1 tome (which I do not currently have). was this a smart decision?
4. What should my alignment be? not 'good' for litany of the dead was my reasoning.
5. I put random points into diplo I might take them out unless I have to max it..
6. I could not think of a better choice than barb for the 1 splash.. I may consider other suggestions if you have any.
7. I know my will saves are low but I figure with WF and the right enhancements that's not so bad.
8. I am sure you noticed how messy the enhancements are, but that can be fixed..

Thanks to those of you who read and give me your opinions on this

[QuintonReece]

Well you asked so .... my opinion would be to go single class until you get more experience. From what you are describing, it sounds as if a full rogue would fit what you are looking for.

Once you get experienced you may well prefer single class builds like a lot of vets do.

Just my advice.

[Sepulchr]

I take it from your lack of commentary that this build is not worth alot..

I was thinking for pure class that I would actually rather go Fighter or Barb for TRing later.. I am worried that Barbs may be a little expensive (as I am going WF) at first, though I plan to purely work on attaining heal enhancement gear using Shade's guide here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199947

still really want a multi class =(

[Noctus]

I take it from your lack of commentary that this build is not worth alot..

Impatient one, arent you?


The build is a good one. Non-squishy Rogue who packs a punch even when he is not backstabbing.

Roll it up and enjoy tearing through your enemys. Very-High-DPS you will have, young Padawan.

[Sepulchr]

Ha! I know I am maybe a little too impatient..

that was pretty much exactly what I was trying to acheive. I am very glad you think it could work. I am worried about the low saves though..

I will rework it because this was just off the top of my head, and I know I have feats in the wrong places like Imp crit and I want quickdraw probably..

[Tobril]

Doesn't look awful.

You may consider maxing UMD, as you are pretty close to doing so.

As far as AC is concerned...

Beholder and/or pre-buff
10 base
AC bonus - (armoured plating + docent)
Dex
Deflection (highest only)
Shield (if you're in the mood for whatever reason)
Dodge - different bonus types stack
Alchemical ritual(s)

Raiding:
Barkskin
Paladin Aura
Recitation
Haste

Temporary:
Boosts (like uncanny dodge)

There are a bunch of other things that could boost your AC, but just add all those and that will be a start.

[Sepulchr]

Ok thank you, I will try to make an AC calculation with that later today.

how far off am I from max UMD? I made a mistake adding some points to diplo in the builder but I am pretty sure if I didn't do that I would get max. I could sacrifice some haggle for it if needed.

[Tobril]

Max ranks in anything is 23.

It's also possible you already have max ranks, as upon closer inspection you are showing the modified skill and not the total ranks spent.

[Sepulchr]

hmm. mistake.. I will fix it when i redo the build. but ok if it only needs to get to 23 then i can definately make it with the diplo points =)