R.I.P. Barbarian

[Boromirs]

Well, I got on my level 14 forgotten Barbarian. All I have to say is wow... I was wrong. Barbarians ... GOT... SHAFTED.

I thought the TWF changes were bad but what I've noticed is that glancing blows + movement was/is a HEAVY HEAVY part of a Barbarians overall damage makeup. The main equation thats broken is this...

For a Barbarian:

Movement = Survival

Damage = Usefulness


Thus, what the devs have done is,

Movement = Less Damage = less usefulness

No Movement = More Damage = less survival

In the end, its a lose lose for Barbs. And then to top it all off, the Barbarian capstone has been annihalated, a puny +2 to strength? I mean will a barb even notice a measly +2 to strength at cap?

Conclusion: The Barbarian nerf is pretty ridiculous. Wow, you Barbs have my condolences.

[Arkat]

You're just trying to bait Shade aren't you?

[TiranBlade]

Does this mean a good old "Doom!!!!!" is in order?

[bronchioli]

No I think he is posting this since many people have strong opinions about the time and effort they have put into something and the fact the turbine (even though they are the owners) feel it appropriate to break apart peoples characters and play styles that some have put years into making.

Some people might understand this, others simply wont.

This update started off by stating TWF was going to be modified to help fix lag, It has been shown that it has not helped, but we are at a point where virtually every melee - caster character is modified, play styles broken, items that have been in game for months - years changed.

The fun has been seriously stripped for many people yet turbine sits silent. Turbine has a very tiny brain at the helm (and they should pray that their narrow sightedness does not end up burying them in the end) and the fact that they cannot recognize that makes this post even more pointless.

eh my opinion doesn`t matter anyhow, so I will end here

[Delacroix21]

I dont think glancing blows should have been removed from movement, let me first get that out, as I believe DDOs movement based combat system gives it a very actiony feel missing from other MMOs.



That being said....



We all know they did this change as a band-aid fix to the stupid "twitch" fighting style of THF. Allthough "twitching" doesnt help you dodge attacks AT ALL, allot of people like to claim thats what they will miss most. The Dev's SHOULD allow glancing blows while moving, and fix the THF animation to eliminate "twitch" fighting.

[Dark-Star]

Your amount of doom threads started per minute is approaching squelch level, slow down a bit cowboy.

[Angelus_dead]

We all know they did this change as a band-aid fix to the stupid "twitch" fighting style of THF. Allthough "twitching" doesnt help you dodge attacks AT ALL, allot of people like to claim thats what they will miss most. The Dev's SHOULD allow glancing blows while moving, and fix the THF animation to eliminate "twitch" fighting.

Yes, it should not be too hard to simply restrict attacks to the same rate regardless of if you are standing or moving.

To have control over the rate of taking actions is a fundamental building block of a coherent game system.

[DoctorWhofan]

Does this mean a good old "Doom!!!!!" is in order?

Why, yes it does. Complete with eleven ones and pictures of Gir.

[Visty]

my thf char (not a barb though but what you are describing are thf things and not exclusive to barbs) doesnt have gthf and doesnt have any problems

just another overreacting thread imo

[Krag]

Prior to update notes I was planning to TR into barbarian. After announced nerfs I reincarnated into Kensai.

But if you are not a powergamer, you can still play barb and have fun.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

my thf char (not a barb though but what you are describing are thf things and not exclusive to barbs) doesnt have gthf and doesnt have any problems

just another overreacting thread imo

If he doesn't have GTHF, obviously you wont see any difference, because that is the feat that allows glancing blows while moving...

That said, THF nerf is only half the problem for barbs.
Their capstone is broken since launch (glancing blows part of it isn't working), and the (admittedly buggy) speed bonus helped them to be competitive (DPS wise). Now, this speed bonus is removed, without any fix for the glancing blows. Sucks to be a barb...

[Emili]

my thf char (not a barb though but what you are describing are thf things and not exclusive to barbs) doesnt have gthf and doesnt have any problems

just another overreacting thread imo

You would not notice any difference ,,, gthf is what allowed glancing while movement - so you never had it to actually compare.

[pasterqb]

/paranoia

The Mayans were wrong!!! The world is ending the 28th!!!

/paranoia off

I kinda wanna see Turbine make all chars have a permanent Doom effect on them for the day or atleast have casters spam it for a day.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

RIP Barb is right. Loosing STR, having to stand still to attack, still no fixes, yeah RIP barb is spot on. They were already on their last legs.

[Shaamis]

RIP Barb is right. Loosing STR, having to stand still to attack, still no fixes, yeah RIP barb is spot on. They were already on their last legs.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Rise of the MONKS! (Especially Drunken monk's named Shaamis)

I knew MY, I mean OUR day has come!

Barbarians were overpowered anyway.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Thrudh]

Your amount of doom threads started per minute is approaching squelch level, slow down a bit cowboy.

This.

[Scalion]

I dont think glancing blows should have been removed from movement, let me first get that out, as I believe DDOs movement based combat system gives it a very actiony feel missing from other MMOs.



That being said....



We all know they did this change as a band-aid fix to the stupid "twitch" fighting style of THF. Allthough "twitching" doesnt help you dodge attacks AT ALL, allot of people like to claim thats what they will miss most. The Dev's SHOULD allow glancing blows while moving, and fix the THF animation to eliminate "twitch" fighting.

I've stayed outta the whole debate, but as a TWF kensai with spring attack... I have to say that a ton of damage can be avoided by moving and attacking. Not on every type of mob, but on enough for it to matter. Giant types (including ogres and trolls) will generally hit you regardless, but spiders, slimes, skeletons all have attacks that can be easily avoided by moving. Most of the other stuff fits somewhere in the middle.

[Thrudh]

RIP Barb is right. Loosing STR, having to stand still to attack, still no fixes, yeah RIP barb is spot on. They were already on their last legs.

Even with no glancing blows, barbarians still out-do Kensais in base damage by quite a bit... Double-strike and Haste Boost allows Kensais to pull ahead, but only by 10% or so...

However, Kensais are stuck with a single weapon type... while barbarians can do that damage with every weapon (i.e. they can do as much with a maul as they do with a greataxe).

Stunning Blow still works remarkably well on a barbarian

Plus that extra speed and spring boost is worth a few points of DPS I think...

I do think barbarians could use a tiny bit of love... Just make Damage Boost worthwhile and we're back to balanced.

No Doooooooooom here, please.

[TheDjinnFor]

We all know they did this change as a band-aid fix to the stupid "twitch" fighting style of THF. Allthough "twitching" doesnt help you dodge attacks AT ALL, allot of people like to claim thats what they will miss most. The Dev's SHOULD allow glancing blows while moving, and fix the THF animation to eliminate "twitch" fighting.

What they should do is get a clue. Players who twitch are just telling turbine through their actions that they want to DO something while they're fighting, not just be a passive participant.

[TheDjinnFor]

And this does kill barbarians. Glancing blows do about 30% of a barbarians base damage, to every other strike when twitching. You TWFers think you have it bad, complaining about losing 10% offhand? Well THFers lose much more.