Ok seriously, in reference to the ring....getting sr is extremely easy. There's no need to roll on that ring just for sr. Yes, I understand people want some caster loot for random effects, but this is a bad example. I've got both a 20 fighter and a 20 wizard so I can understand it somewhat, I don't agree with rolling even on things like bracers of the glacier against a wiz/sorc though. Just like I don't think a wiz/sorc should have rolled on my sword of shadows, which I ended up paying for, or tumbleweed against melee.