28pt Dwarf S&B - Tankasaurus Rex

[lord_of_rage]

Read before you post, statements like this just make you look dumb, and like an @$$, it's just not constructive at all so why bother posting it?

That was really disrespectful. There are alot of holes in your build. Your ac will be low. Your dps will be low. Your saves will be low. You dont have umd for survivability. Youll need a pocket healer. Sigtrent posted some solid builds and you ignored them. Im not sure you are heeding your own advice.

[Quikster]

Yet again everyone is missing the point of this, read my OP this is not a true tank build, its trying to look at S&B in a new light. Shielding is not all AC it comes with some DR that you wont see on any other item, and this build is all about trying to see what can come from glancing blows with a single handed weapon. PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING, this subject has been beaten to death now, the first three - four post were helpful in dispelling the thought of DPS and classic MMO tank mesh, so i thought I would throw in a build that was purely DPS to counter with all the pure tank builds. Dropping AC on a S&B is an odd concept but that's what I'm after I don't like the generic 'cookie cutter must be built this way only' characters. Everyone in the discussion is leaning one way or the other period, while i was trying to walk the line in the middle, I see now that if you walk the middle at end game you only have the middle. However I don't think it's a valid reason to just drop the concept of unique builds all together, with the right planning i think you can pull off great dps on a S&B without sacrificing the ability to tank.

No reason you cant have a shield to switch to when you need the dr. When you need the big dps use a two hander. Take the thf feats, pa, ic slash etc and you can do both.

[Thrudh]

+1 rep just for the awesome name.

[GhoulsTouch]

In PNP you had to roll two consecutive 20's in order to roll a critical hit at first in early editions, then they increased the threat range of weapons where again you had to roll between the crit range twice in order to acheive a critical hit. Now is DDO going against the system or did DND just get weak since last time I played with the newer versions?

[cm2_supernova]

In PNP you had to roll two consecutive 20's in order to roll a critical hit at first in early editions, then they increased the threat range of weapons where again you had to roll between the crit range twice in order to acheive a critical hit. Now is DDO going against the system or did DND just get weak since last time I played with the newer versions?

its 3.5 rules...check em out:

http://www.d20srd.org

[GhoulsTouch]

Yeah, I was about AD&D. Changing THAC0 kind of irked me.

[sigtrent]

its a valid question though...the only reason for trying to S&B is to tank and have AC. If you are not going to have any AC why not just THF with a great axe and get more damage out of the build?

Not quite....

Shield blocking (which gives you a lot of Damage Reduction) is also a good reason to use a shield. Mind you the build here still won't get a lot of use out of it due to not having a good agro generation strategy.

[sigtrent]

In PNP you had to roll two consecutive 20's in order to roll a critical hit at first in early editions, then they increased the threat range of weapons where again you had to roll between the crit range twice in order to acheive a critical hit. Now is DDO going against the system or did DND just get weak since last time I played with the newer versions?

Sorry GhoulsTouch but PNP has never worked that way (I've played for around 28 years). That is a common house rule people used to use before there were any critical hit rules in the game.

[Crann]

In PNP you had to roll two consecutive 20's in order to roll a critical hit at first in early editions, then they increased the threat range of weapons where again you had to roll between the crit range twice in order to acheive a critical hit. Now is DDO going against the system or did DND just get weak since last time I played with the newer versions?

Not in AD&D.

[LordArkan]

Yeah, I was about AD&D. Changing THAC0 kind of irked me.

There are no rules for critical hits in the AD&D PHB.

[Astarinthemage]

Critical hits (natural 20s) and fumbles (natural 1s) were a house rule in the 2nd Ed AD&D DMG iirc. In 3E, weapons have a threat range and a crit multiplier. If your d20 comes up in the threat range, you roll again to confirm your critical hit. All you have to do on the confirmation roll is hit. I believe on the confirmation roll, even a "1" is not an automatic failure.

Also, THAC0 was annoying and counter-intuitive. It's far quicker at the table to add all your bonuses to the die roll and say "I hit a 27" than it is to add your bonuses to your roll, then check your total against the table on your character sheet.

[cm2_supernova]

Not quite....

Shield blocking (which gives you a lot of Damage Reduction) is also a good reason to use a shield. Mind you the build here still won't get a lot of use out of it due to not having a good agro generation strategy.

Good points...but I was more referring to using a shield during every day use. I would assume the only reason you would run through the IQ, for example, with a shield equipped is for the AC.

What the OP is attempting is to go S\B for daily questing, not specific intimitanking scenerios...which begs the question why dump AC and run around with a shield?