The Whirling Tempest Solar Exploiter

[Darksolar]

Please feel free to give feedback

Premise:
So the idea of the build is a Human 12ranger 7Monk 1Rogue
100% OH proc with tempest II and all TWF feats from ranger
Improved Recovery II from monk and Improved Recovery III from human with 10% and 20% from runes 25% fire stance is 257% healing amp (334% with weapon)
Triple Positive finisher will do decent AoE heal when you aren't doing Fists of Iron
Fists of Iron and earth finisher adds to the dps for the build by making the dual longswords closer to kopesh dps if target can be crited.
Full UMD Balance Search DD
20% faster movement speed from Monk
Haste boost I from Rogue
Human Versatility for boosts
Ranger Speed I for when you really need to move it

Stats:
Str:16 (+5Level+2rams+6Item+1human+2fire stance) 32
Dex:14 (+2ranger+6item)22
Con:13 (+1human+6Item)20
Int:14
Wis:13 (+1monk+6Item)20 ******09 if 28 point build*******
Cha:08
Tomes were not listed
You wear Int item for search/DD and Cha item for UMD

Feats: (in order)(3 favored enemy's of choice)
1 Dodge
1 Toughness
3 Mobility
6 Spring Attack
9 IC:Slash
12 WF:Slash
14 Whirling Steel Strike
15 OTWF
15 Power Attack
18 Extend Spell
20 Toughness

Skills:
UMD:23
DD:23
Balance:23
Search:23
OL:16
If you used a +2 Int tome at level 7 you can get 19 OL and about 8 Concentration

HP:
6 Rogue
48 Monk
96 Ranger
20 Base
10 GHT
30 GFL
44 Toughness
20 Enhancement
100 Con
20 Minos
394 (can add greensteel/con tome and another 10 with enhancements)
489 Max Possible

Enhancements: (I will add list later if it is needed)

[grodon9999]

The longswords are garbage, not worth 2 feats by any stretch of the imagination.

[DethTrip]

Interesting concept. I like self healing so I would probably take the empower healing feat later on but that's just me. Most people would probably disagree with that. I also do not like longswords. I have a nice build put together that is 12Rgr/7Pal/1Mnk built with U5 in mind that uses Khopeshes. It's tempest II with paly smites, saves, aura, second tier enhancements, Kotc, yada yada yada. Then a lvl monk for saves, AC boost, and an extra feat. I'll have to post it. This build you are posting seems like it has potential but I prefer Khopeshes and smites. To each their own. Good luck.

[grodon9999]

Interesting concept. I like self healing so I would probably take the empower healing feat later on but that's just me. Most people would probably disagree with that. I also do not like longswords. I have a nice build put together that is 12Rgr/7Pal/1Mnk built with U5 in mind that uses Khopeshes. It's tempest II with paly smites, saves, aura, second tier enhancements, Kotc, yada yada yada. Then a lvl monk for saves, AC boost, and an extra feat. I'll have to post it. This build you are posting seems like it has potential but I prefer Khopeshes and smites. To each their own. Good luck.

Silly question - what does 7 pally get you over 6? that extra level would let you take 2-monk for evasion.

[k1ngp1n]

Silly question - what does 7 pally get you over 6? that extra level would let you take 2-monk for evasion.

Rangers get evasion

[honkuimushi]

Silly question - what does 7 pally get you over 6? that extra level would let you take 2-monk for evasion.

Well, you would get Evasion from Ranger 12. Paladin 7 has a couple of enhancements, including Bulwark II and it improves his Smites and LoH a bit. However, Monk 2 would get him an extra feat and +1 to AC, in addition to the Wisdom enhancement and animal path.

[DethTrip]

Silly question - what does 7 pally get you over 6? that extra level would let you take 2-monk for evasion.

7 over 6 gets you bulwark and resistance of good II, another lay on hands, and paladin toughness III. Plus you still get evasion at lvl9 as a ranger.

[Darksolar]

so no thoughts on what would be the best last 2 feats for this build?

[unbongwah]

Now where have I heard this idea before...

The longswords are garbage, not worth 2 feats by any stretch of the imagination.

The goal is not max DPS; the goal is decent DPS + mondo free healing from FoL & ki finisher through a combination of Devotion & self-healing amp. It's similar to the Solar Phoenix, but using ranger instead of paladin.

[Darksolar]

Now where have I heard this idea before...

The goal is not max DPS; the goal is decent DPS + mondo free healing from FoL & ki finisher through a combination of Devotion & self-healing amp. It's similar to the Solar Phoenix, but using ranger instead of paladin.

sorry didn't see your post before I made this but there are some differences between the two but they are very close.

why did you chose CE and Improved Trip do you find them usefull? saw also stunning fist in there?

as to not being dps of a dual kopesh user with 100% oh proc yes maybe not but how close does LS come with Fists of Iron and the earth finisher as you should have no problem getting the ki for it on perma cooldown. (what is the cooldown of Fists of Iron if someone knows)

[unbongwah]

why did you chose CE and Improved Trip do you find them usefull? saw also stunning fist in there?

CE is for the AC; I was trying to hit Exploiter-ish levels. Between high AC and Dance of Clouds finisher (20% concealment for 1 min), I'm hoping this build does a decent job of avoiding getting hit. Imp Trip because, hey, tripping is good for a laugh, innit? Imp Trip gives +4 DC, reduces the cooldown, and trips can last up to a minute rather than 6 seconds. [Trip-ee makes a Balance check every 2 seconds, IIRC; the odds of failing 30 of them in a row are pretty low, but it still ought to keep them down longer than a regular Trip.] Stunning Fist is one of the pre-reqs for Shintao, the forthcoming light monk PrE; not sure if it's worth it, but I figured I would plan for it.

[Comfortably]

The longswords are garbage, not worth 2 feats by any stretch of the imagination.

It's been said before, it's not a DPS build. Heard that before, Grodon? ;P

[grodon9999]

It's been said before, it's not a DPS build. Heard that before, Grodon? ;P

Regardless, the implementation of Centered-long-swords in U5 is still garbage, not worth two feats. 1 feat sure, but two?

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

Regardless, the implementation of Centered-long-swords in U5 is still garbage, not worth two feats. 1 feat sure, but two?

For a pure monk, 2 feats yes, but it's just one feat (WSS) for this build, no? (not being snarky or anything, just making sure I have this correct, since I am very interested in a similar build myself come U5 - for fun, not for uberness)

[grodon9999]

For a pure monk, 2 feats yes, but it's just one feat (WSS) for this build, no? (not being snarky or anything, just making sure I have this correct, since I am very interested in a similar build myself come U5 - for fun, not for uberness)

You need WF: Slashing as a pre-req for WSS.

[sigtrent]

The longswords are garbage, not worth 2 feats by any stretch of the imagination.

Feats are cheap on builds like these. Centered longswords lets you stay centered and enjoy a wide range of weapon effects not available or not very effective on handwraps. Kama's are pretty awful weapons so a couple of feats (one of which gives another +1 to hit) is not a bad deal.

If you know the wisdom of builds, tell us what feats would be better for the build.

[grodon9999]

Feats are cheap on builds like these. Centered longswords lets you stay centered and enjoy a wide range of weapon effects not available or not very effective on handwraps. Kama's are pretty awful weapons so a couple of feats (one of which gives another +1 to hit) is not a bad deal.

If you know the wisdom of builds, tell us what feats would be better for the build.

Dumb question - what's the handwrap damage for 7 levels of Monk?

I'm mostly just cranky because I wanted this to be cooler than it is, was thinking something similar when it was first mentioned.

[Darksolar]

Dumb question - what's the handwrap damage for 7 levels of Monk?

I'm mostly just cranky because I wanted this to be cooler than it is, was thinking something similar when it was first mentioned.

Why isn't it cool because you can't use kopesh's well nothing is stopping you from taking Kopesh with the last feat then you can enter your pure dps mode if wanted but I do wonder how far longswords with Fists of Iron extra x1 crit multi the +2 str from sun stance and the earth finisher x2 crit multi attack would work out dps wise.

[grodon9999]

Why isn't it cool because you can't use kopesh's well nothing is stopping you from taking Kopesh with the last feat then you can enter your pure dps mode if wanted but I do wonder how far longswords with Fists of Iron extra x1 crit multi the +2 str from sun stance and the earth finisher x2 crit multi attack would work out dps wise.

it's not as cool as I thought it was going to be because of the attack-speed nerfs. I'd planned on building an Elf tempest/monk using longswords then the other U5 shoe drops . . .

[Baahb3]

Dumb question - what's the handwrap damage for 7 levels of Monk?

7 monk gets you 1d8 fist damage, 1d10 if you can get the past life feat.