For the sake of neg rep stupidity, here goes...

[iamsamoth0]

I am not sure. But how I read the guild system now. It will take 6250 to even begin to send invites to people. Which begs the question if at 1st level you get your own chat channel, who will you be talking to?

Whoops and oh yeah. Can anyone check my math for this. Although I also see there are 1000 pt increments also.

But roughly this,
781,250=GL25
at rate of 50(ish)
15,625 Trophies
Roughly 3-4 day....
3906
Heh 10.9726 years to achieve GL25

Even if my math were off by 2/3 +/- some that'd make roughly 1+ year for GL25, yeah? at 750/day(?), if not capped lower.

[SisAmethyst]

I am not sure. But how I read the guild system now. It will take 6250 to even begin to send invites to people. Which begs the question if at 1st level you get your own chat channel, who will you be talking to?

You can still regular invite players face to face. You just can't invite all your alts via an email till level 5.

All players in your guild will contribute to the System and end chest may reward you with a higher Guild Reward then from farming Explorer Zones. If you indeed Solo your Guild it takes quite a while...
Dunno how this Guild system will work out on the Live servers but I am sure for the most Guilds it will not take tenthousend years to get their airship

[iamsamoth0]

You can still regular invite players face to face. You just can't invite all your alts via an email till level 5.

That helps.
Good to know.

[iamsamoth0]

But will haggle work on a reduced price vendor(ala' airship)?(Not particularly the cost of the ship itself.) And does that seem excessive? Some guild could completely pay for the kit and caboodle by having the guild chest stuffed with super expensive items, that they could turn around and sell either in AH, the forums, or could they just dupe the locale vendor. Making a pretty pile of cash, I mean PP's 'cause that's the only denomination available....

And also if we don't have a ship where are these upgrades? Where will the player go to utilize the benefits of Guild rank?

What music plays in the ship? Is it wherever you happen to be?

[Jay203]

But will haggle work on a reduced price vendor(ala' airship)?

And also if we don't have a ship where are these upgrades. Where will the player go to utilize the benefits of Guild rank?

vendors are in house K
but if you don't have a ship, you can't hire or use any of the guild ship goodies

and no, the haggle doesn't help with the ship price, it does help with guild vendor and hired hands and stuff tho =)

[iamsamoth0]

vendors are in house K
but if you don't have a ship, you can't hire or use any of the guild ship goodies

and no, the haggle doesn't help with the ship price, it does help with guild vendor and hired hands and stuff tho =)

I (multi)updated to provide clarity, at least that's what I am calling it.

*added more

[iamsamoth0]

If there are any rough figures for how much it would keep a decked out ship maintained /day, /week. I am having trouble gathering all the info.
Somewhere upwards of 18-20million gp, is the base cost for the heavy hulls. (I love the shot with the drydock bearth)
And if I remember many of the top tier 'contracts' despawn in 3, or 7 days. Which don't seem pricey. I guess.

[Neko-kun]

IIRC, most of the contracts available at or below GLv 55 are ~1400 plat or below.

Haven't looked at the higher tier ones though.

[iamsamoth0]

If anyone else sees the logic step in this.
Why would it not be a viable option, since the game is 'essentially' FTP to allow players who created trial accounts to log back into them and delete them. They should be free-to-play yeah? It would allow some players who locked(unwittingly) character names on those accounts. Not to mention freeing up resources. I created at least 7-8 trial accounts.

I wasn't sure if this topic should simply be out in General Discussion. Sorry about the 'thread placement'.

[iamsamoth0]

Does anyone know if logging out on ship, is similar to the benefit of logging out in a tavern? I am hoping they apply the quicker log-out method there as well.

[Jay203]

btw, there are more than just Heroic Deeds (+50 renown)that drops from bags
there are +100 ones, +150 ones, +500 ones, and even +1000 ones
obviously the higher the quest lvl, the higher the highest amount you can get

[donfilibuster]

Isn't 3-4 bags too little? Granted it won't be mass farming of kobold assault anymore but still.

[iamsamoth0]

btw, there are more than just Heroic Deeds (+50 renown)that drops from bags
there are +100 ones, +150 ones, +500 ones, and even +1000 ones
obviously the higher the quest lvl, the higher the highest amount you can get

Isn't 3-4 bags too little? Granted it won't be mass farming of kobold assault anymore but still.

Consider also in this rough form it is 'considering' 3-4/DAY which is also not realistic, I can't and won't be playing every day either.
But knowing there are higher multiples does ease the anxiety of it.
Thanks!
Does anyone know yet the maximums allowed for gathering renown?

[Jay203]

Consider also in this rough form it is 'considering' 3-4/DAY which is also not realistic, I can't and won't be playing every day either.
But knowing there are higher multiples does ease the anxiety of it.
Thanks!
Does anyone know yet the maximums allowed for gathering renown?

maximum what?
per day? overall maximum renown for max lvl?

[iamsamoth0]

maximum what?
per day? overall maximum renown for max lvl?

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[iamsamoth0]

is this. The premise as I understand it is you will be able to navigate to any explorer area(except underground) that all of the explorer tasks have been completed.
And my question is this. Will it be based on the person paying for the contract, or does the system have a way of knowing what everybody in the guild has completed and aggregates that info into the 'navigators' algorithm? Or would we be stuck with whatever happened to be on the 'purchasers' list?(I.E. That hagglebot is really just that, and although you get it for dirt cheap, you get a ride to the C-Hills, and thats it).
Does that make sense?


And this. These are current expectations for renown progression.
Level 93 - 40,217,850
and at the top...
Level 100 - 50,000,000

Level 93, Is the last level for any benefits for renown, other than the conspicuous ability of a massive guild to plow upward through sheer volume. What incentive other than the world spam proclamation is there for grinding out the last seven levels of renown, if only to watch it decay? Ten MILLION renown.

[iamsamoth0]

What will happen when Guildleaders characters that happen to be old favorites from the pre-release Alpha Alpha Beta stage. That are die-hard favorites no matter how gimpy. Will it become somewhat imperative to re-align entire guilds based on the skill set of the leader? I mean why wouldn't you want to make the guild leader be the guy with the highest haggle? If they orient the ship? Or do they allow anyone to purchase 'hook' contracts. I also assume you can't buy duplicates of hook items?

[Neko-kun]

OK, some people seem confused about the reknown. Well, the reason the reknown drop rate for treasure bags was reduced is due to it not being the intended main way of getting reknown. No one wants to farm Kobold Assault. As well as that, they added a feature where you will occasionally get 5 reknown for mob kills. You seems to have the same luck getting on as having a mob drop a treasure bag; often, but not piles of it. You also get it more frequently from chests and quest rewards.

[iamsamoth0]

And sometimes I can be slow on the uptake. Until like twenty min. ago I didn't really realize that there is in fact NOTHING on the ship itself. Simply an empty vessel always. And in retrospect it seems preposterous that I can be that daft at times. But more than that I have NOTHING to look forward to in respects to this endeavor. Not only is there nothing on the ship everything is hired and quite temporary if you ask me. There is no 'lasting' benefit that I can see right this second.
I wish I would have realized this sooner, then I would have seemed a bit less silly with a big list.

[MrkGrismer]

is this. The premise as I understand it is you will be able to navigate to any explorer area(except underground) that all of the explorer tasks have been completed.
And my question is this. Will it be based on the person paying for the contract, or does the system have a way of knowing what everybody in the guild has completed and aggregates that info into the 'navigators' algorithm? Or would we be stuck with whatever happened to be on the 'purchasers' list?(I.E. That hagglebot is really just that, and although you get it for dirt cheap, you get a ride to the C-Hills, and thats it).
Does that make sense?

From what I understand the destinations are not the explorer areas, but the public areas that have explorer areas attached. So to go to the Spa you would need Ataraxia all explored. I'm not sure how it works for public areas that have multiple explores; maybe any of the explore areas or maybe a specific one. Anyway, my impression is that the list of destinations is generated for the specific PC that talks to the 'navigator'.