LFM Window becoming a Trade Window

[Jendrak]

Will this work:



Vordax

Thanks for looking that up. I tried but couldnt find it

[Mithran]

The reason it's usually so attractive is because (since it's technically against the rules), people have a short-term monopoly on its display. They don't want to put ads in the Trade Channel because they're obliged to compete against everyone else. If it's somewhere inappropriate, they can be sure that more people will see and pay attention to it. That's the beauty of graffiti, from the artists' perspective (though they may not be conscious of it).

I'd encourage everyone to complain about it every time they see it. That's how it's remained so free of this kind of clutter this long.

[Mithran]

First offense you'd probably get warned true enough, but it's the subsequent offenses that occur after the warning, where the ban hammer comes out.

The more likely scenario is that a GM will tell them that they'll lose the ability to post an LFM at all.

[Xyfiel]

I doubt anyone will be outright banned for a minor offense, if it is an offense at all. More likly they will be asked to remove it.

Please point to the Eula where it is states that LFM should not be used for trading. I went through it, and the closest thing I could find was:

14. You will not exhibit or partake in any behavior that degrades service performance or is disruptive to the playability of the Game or the normal functionality of the Game, causes grief, aggravation or alarm to other users, or otherwise restricts or inhibits any other user from using and enjoying the Game (for example, deliberately using bugs or loopholes, dropping excessive items or summoning excessive portals to disrupt a Game or disrupting the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar or abusive language, hitting the return key repeatedly, inputting excessively large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, flooding (continuous posting repetitive text), “spamming,” or excessive SHOUTING (all caps) in an attempt to disturb other users).


Causing grief to other users is a very open ended statement. You can cause grief to another user by simply casting mass camo or jump on them, or throwing a grease on the ground and sliding them into a lava pit, all which I have seen. I've also seen a VoD run where someone ran through the portal, locked everyone out, laughed about it, recalled an dropped party forcing 11 people to run back through the subterrane. I will debate that casting mass camo or jump, no matter how annoying it may be to the other person, isn't griefing.

To the matter at hand, puting up a LFM advertising that you are buying something or selling something isn't causing any real grief to other players. They may claim it is, but it's not doing anything to really hinder game play. It's actually doing less hinderance than casting mass camo or jump on another player, and less than nothing is still nothing.

Even assuming that you are right and I'm wrong, something so minor of an infraction that doesn't actually affect another character in any way isn't going to get someone banned outright, or at least I should hope not.

More like <GM> tells you: Please remove your LFM buy/sell request as it is against the Eula.

Using the Looking for more panel for a trade panel is against "normal functionality of the game". It is reportable, and bannable. Normally the GM's are too busy to check the LFM constantly, and only investigate it if someone reports it. Of course if they are behind on tickets, the LFM will probably be gone by the time they look. This is why you don't hear of people getting banned often from doing it. It is still against the rules though.

[holyknowlie]

I see the same thing happening with Guild Recruitment in the LFM panel. Irks the **** out of me every time.

[Spisey]

I hate it and turn those people in as often as i can on Argo.

Granted, I have done the same, but time is of the essence when auctioning off an eardweller that will dissipate shortly!

Would I be mad if I was turned in? No I know the risks...

[cdbd3rd]

I doubt anyone will be outright banned for a minor offense, if it is an offense at all. More likly they will be asked to remove it.....

You're right, no one who has been around the game longer than a few months could POSSIBLY know what the heck they're talking about.




A was already explained, an offender will likely be asked the first time, but after that, will get some time in the corner to think about it.

[herzkos]

The trade channel should be global, I use the LFM to buy things only, not sell. Until I see mod confirmation that it is frowned upon, I see no reason not to do it.

The solution: Fix the auction house. Lower the 30% to 5-10% and make it more user friendly.

respectfully read this thread (or just the first post on it if ya want).
and it's even stickied too.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ight=lfm+trade

[Uska]

I doubt anyone will be outright banned for a minor offense, if it is an offense at all. More likly they will be asked to remove it.

Please point to the Eula where it is states that LFM should not be used for trading. I went through it, and the closest thing I could find was:

14. You will not exhibit or partake in any behavior that degrades service performance or is disruptive to the playability of the Game or the normal functionality of the Game, causes grief, aggravation or alarm to other users, or otherwise restricts or inhibits any other user from using and enjoying the Game (for example, deliberately using bugs or loopholes, dropping excessive items or summoning excessive portals to disrupt a Game or disrupting the flow of chat in chat rooms with vulgar or abusive language, hitting the return key repeatedly, inputting excessively large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, flooding (continuous posting repetitive text), “spamming,” or excessive SHOUTING (all caps) in an attempt to disturb other users).


Causing grief to other users is a very open ended statement. You can cause grief to another user by simply casting mass camo or jump on them, or throwing a grease on the ground and sliding them into a lava pit, all which I have seen. I've also seen a VoD run where someone ran through the portal, locked everyone out, laughed about it, recalled an dropped party forcing 11 people to run back through the subterrane. I will debate that casting mass camo or jump, no matter how annoying it may be to the other person, isn't griefing.

To the matter at hand, puting up a LFM advertising that you are buying something or selling something isn't causing any real grief to other players. They may claim it is, but it's not doing anything to really hinder game play. It's actually doing less hinderance than casting mass camo or jump on another player, and less than nothing is still nothing.

Even assuming that you are right and I'm wrong, something so minor of an infraction that doesn't actually affect another character in any way isn't going to get someone banned outright, or at least I should hope not.

More like <GM> tells you: Please remove your LFM buy/sell request as it is against the Eula.

first time a warning is likely but do it again and a ban is more likely they do make notes about infractions.

[Jiipster]

That's just silly. Why would a wiz/sorc wear rouge? You're talking crazy, man.

Because he wants to feel pretty?

[jasonchrist]

It is easy enough to just scroll by those people, and you might see something you happen to need. You just happened to get a good screen shot.

Is this really something worthy of complaint?

[Folonius]

respectfully read this thread (or just the first post on it if ya want).
and it's even stickied too.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...ight=lfm+trade

Fair enough, you don't need to convince me. My point is it needs to be a little more obvious. Getting a god complex and banning people outright for the littlest infraction is kinda like shooting yourself in the foot. It's revenue lost. I wouldn't want to play any game where the people with the power have a god complex.

[herzkos]

i concur that no company should restrain their consumers too much.
what I don't want turbine to do is wait until there are 20 or so trade lfm's up there
at a time to start doing something about it again.
in the current 1-3 trade lfm's it isn't bad, but stopping it now (again) will be much less
time consuming than if they wait for a couple more months and the whole window
is covered with lvl 1-20 trades.

[Krag]

Can't blame people for using LFM panel for trades,
because all other options fail miserably. AH? Trade channel? Forums? Meh.

That being said I report people who misuse LFM panel

[Uska]

It is easy enough to just scroll by those people, and you might see something you happen to need. You just happened to get a good screen shot.

Is this really something worthy of complaint?

Yes its annoying and people need to follow the rules it not as bad as it use to be but sometimes you use to have to scroll through an extra page or two for all the people that were doing it.

[cardmj1]

It is easy enough to just scroll by those people, and you might see something you happen to need. You just happened to get a good screen shot.

Is this really something worthy of complaint?

Actually, there were 3 guilds recruiting and 9 trades going at the same time on the lfm. Those that you see were just close together.

[porq]

This link might be of interest:


http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...53&postcount=1


Edit: Herzkos got it first, didn't see that. Repetition doesn't hurt though.

It peeves me to see people using the lfm as a trade listing, so I typically send this link to them and ask them politely to remove it. Most times people simply don't know it's against the rules to do so and have no problem taking it down. I've ran into a couple that get downright rude and verbally attack me, even in the face of concrete proof what they're posting in lfm's is not allowed. Sending in a ticket with an explanation attached is last resort, but it does work, and yes, GMs do respond and have them removed (or coincidentally they're taken down, who knows!)

[danielhrobbins]

WTT +1 Greataxe of lesser-ooze bane! Hurry and make offer!

[Gkar]

The trade channel should be global, I use the LFM to buy things only, not sell. Until I see mod confirmation that it is frowned upon, I see no reason not to do it.

The solution: Fix the auction house. Lower the 30% to 5-10% and make it more user friendly.

They have said it before, and if someone reports you the GM will tell you to take it down. I know someone who got a 3 days suspension because his warning came while he was having a bio and in that 60 seconds they warned him, then banned him for not immediately taking it down.

[Durion]

I see the same thing happening with Guild Recruitment in the LFM panel. Irks the **** out of me every time.

No way. Thats a beautiful thing. Let the kiddies all take up the other kiddies into their guilds. Thats how you know who to let into your party and who not too.

They advertise right there in the LFM's, "Don't take this guild into your runs, we let all the people none of the other guilds want."

Well, at least unless you play on Tot's server.