A cleric? really? Renegade feel free to respond

[Vhlad]

I can think of a person who utilized a single wizard in his build to help utilize UMD and became very popular here so the point is moot. Aether began with a con of 12..wind stance dropped it down. Also notice neither she nor Kreecha have great stat building, hp increasing items as yet.

One level of cleric does help with UMD especially when you multi class and can't maxx everything. Aether is a trapmonkey to the point of taking a feat for it. Her whole purpose was to hit epic traps. Now I can turn her into a Ninja Acrobat being able to use her dragonmark for displacement on top if I decided to play her again. Like I said she was an early character.

and like I said previously...I don't show all my cards.

1 level of cleric does not help with UMD, noob!

1 level of cleric lets you use some healing wands/scrolls without a UMD check, and 1 level ranger, paladin, favored soul, or bard does the same thing. i.e. classes using a wand version of a spell that they have on their spell list can use that wand without a UMD check, even if they're too low level to be able to cast that spell.

A rogue should be putting max ranks into UMD. This is so you can wear RR items and use high level divine scrolls (heal, raise dead), arcane scrolls (teleport, greater teleport, greater heroism, displacement), and arcane wands (blur, shield). All these things will use a UMD check even if you have 1 cleric level.

[bartcom2000]

There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. If he has never played in the roll of a healer, then he is ignorant of the roll and the nuances.

I am not calling Bart stupid by any means.

I have played the role of a healer... i just find it hard to play once i 've squelched 2 or 3 in party due to excessive "wheres my bull strenght?" i tell them its at house j in a bottle, once then if asked again ...well you know...

i have rep to pass out. just gotta find the OP of the dudes. the battle cleric one is top o d list!!! i think i will make one just for the hell of it

[Uamhas]

Yeah well when you see people in game that are about as literate as the OP, and clerics that have this kind of mentality thinking they are all that and everyone else is a "loser tool" no matter how badly they themselves play, no matter how long they have been strung out on drugs here, and have longstanding guilds with the same kind of personality and dismeanor as these people...I begin to think this thread not as a joke but rather a stark reality.

Feel free to burn in rage more...I know you want to.

Give me your "I been here 4 years and I know clerics are nothing more then squishy casters in metal suits," or the "All I play is the tagalong nannybot, in fact I have 9 of them I made during all these years, I am an expert on the tagalong nannybot, ask anyone."

All I can say is yuck, if thats vet advice I'd rather risk going my own way and run with other wild and wreckless newbs...at least they still have a sense of fun. Go tell your sheep to know their role while you give your Disneyland tours of the quest. I am having none of it.

If I thought for a minute you actually knew what you were talking about, I might have been offended at this post. Wait, nope, sorry, I just couldn't take you seriously enough, even then.

My main is a cleric. I built her without knowing dink about the Class. I intended that she be primarily a healer, and I loved playing her from the very start. She is now capped at lvl 20, still a 24 point build, and still quite fun for me to play. I may TR her, I may not. I may even TR her as a FvS. Who knows?

The point of my rambling is... she doesn't fit into any of your preconceived notions of what a non-Battle-Cleric is. She would be what I call a divine caster. While she's squishier than a paladin in full plate, she can usually take a hit to the face and not only survive, but snap back to help kill whatever it is that dealt the damage, and she NEVER swings a weapon in serious combat. Her strength lies in her ability to either slice & dice with a well-placed blade barrier (thank you meta-magics and enhancements and potency gear), make em all lie down on command, or point her finger and obliterate the enemy. That she can heal is just part & parcel of who she is as a character- not the be-all/end-all. Trissa aka DrWhoFan also trends more towards the divine casters with her clerics. I've run with her, have you? Don't criticize her if you haven't, you're just showing how little you know, as well as the maturity level of a pre-teen.

As for that heavy armor being so important... How much have you played of the content beyond the Vale? How much do you know about how much AC matters with end-game content? It's nice to be able to shrug off an ogre that just battered the robe-wearing caster to paste in Sorrowdusk, but for running in Amrath? Sorry, your AC won't be worth spit.

Feel free to keep running with those fine folks that are new, but try not to poison their minds with your half-informed notions. I really would hate to see our newbs as poorly educated as you about how much fun you can have in this game by actually playing a real cleric.

[GhoulsTouch]

1 level of cleric does not help with UMD, noob!

1 level of cleric lets you use some healing wands/scrolls without a UMD check, and 1 level ranger, paladin, favored soul, or bard does the same thing. i.e. classes using a wand version of a spell that they have on their spell list can use that wand without a UMD check, even if they're too low level to be able to cast that spell.

Oh yeah lol

So a cleric who has no UMD at 6th level still having a 65 percent chance or so to be able to use a raise dead scroll which is normally a spell for ninth level clerics is no indication that it can help UMD?

Wow, showed me...I guess I better apologize for being wrong or something. lol

Yeah taking a caster level can hasten your ability to use some items and scrolls early if you have UMD with less chance of fail.

[bartcom2000]

and like I said previously...I don't show all my cards.

you showed your cards when you started typeing and hit submit.

btw, nice join date. thanks for the advice, i tried to vendor it but the vendors in house bulls*** laughed at me and made me cry.



well caine.... you said the forums were dead, just here to show you they were here, just starving. I love this game!!!

[Ironforge_Clan]

I can think of a person who utilized a single wizard in his build to help utilize UMD and became very popular here so the point is moot. Aether began with a con of 12..wind stance dropped it down. Also notice neither she nor Kreecha have great stat building, hp increasing items as yet.

One level of cleric does help with UMD especially when you multi class and can't maxx everything. Aether is a trapmonkey to the point of taking a feat for it. Her whole purpose was to hit epic traps. Now I can turn her into a Ninja Acrobat being able to use her dragonmark for displacement on top if I decided to play her again. Like I said she was an early character.

and like I said previously...I don't show all my cards.

Sorry but this statement just has me backpeddling to oh 7 pages ago....confirming you are indeed a moron.

[Uamhas]

Oh yeah lol

So a cleric who has no UMD at 6th level still having a 65 percent chance or so to be able to use a raise dead scroll which is normally a spell for ninth level clerics is no indication that it can help UMD?

Wow, showed me...I guess I better apologize for being wrong or something. lol

1. It's not UMD that lets a cleric cast a scroll at a level lower than the memorized spell. It's Caster Level Check, and the percentage is calculated by how many levels of that caster (read: cleric) the character has.
2. You cannot cast heal scrolls at level 6, no matter what class/multi-class you are.
3. Yes, now would be a good time for you to apologize to them for you being wrong.

[GhoulsTouch]

1. It's not UMD that lets a cleric cast a scroll at a level lower than the memorized spell. It's Caster Level Check, and the percentage is calculated by how many levels of that caster (read: cleric) the character has.
2. You cannot cast heal scrolls at level 6, no matter what class/multi-class you are.
3. Yes, now would be a good time for you to apologize to them for you being wrong.

Yes but UMD also takes into consideration caster level into the equation...true or false?
Don't think so? Pick up a resist energy 5th and then a resist energy 10th then get back with me.
If a rogue has the UMD to cast from a heal scroll, why wouldn't a cleric with UMD have a better chance if that cleric wasn't high enough to cast it?

[Uamhas]

Yes but UMD also takes into consideration caster level into the equation...true or false?
Don't think so? Pick up a resist energy 5th and then a resist energy 10th then get back with me.

Doesn't your pootie hole hurt by now? You keep talking from there, I would think that would be painful.

When using UMD to determine whether you can cast a scroll or wand, you take your UMD + your d20 roll. The level of your character only matters in this case as to what minimum level is required to cast said scroll or wand.

A resist energy 5th does not have the same UMD check as a resist energy 10th, so that really reinforces what I'm saying, rather than backing up your own stand. edit: forgot to mention RE 5th=minimum level 5, and RE 10th=minimum level 10 just to equip it, let alone casting umd.

[soloman]

Yes but UMD also takes into consideration caster level into the equation...true or false?
Don't think so? Pick up a resist energy 5th and then a resist energy 10th then get back with me.

Seriously bro, you need to stop embarassing yourself with expressing your opinions of the game you have no experience in.

Many of the folks you are arguing with here on the forums have very extensive knowledge of this game and most have capped and re-capped every character class in the game multiple times.

Most of them are familiar the ins and outs of every skill, class, mob manipulation and grouping tactics there is to know.

Your limited experience and knowledge would be better expressed to harbor n00bs who dont know better. They would probably look up to you and listen to you.

My advice to you is to stay there with your inexperienced comrades till your ready to listen to those who do know what they are talking about.

[Vhlad]

Oh yeah lol

So a cleric who has no UMD at 6th level still having a 65 percent chance or so to be able to use a raise dead scroll which is normally a spell for ninth level clerics is no indication that it can help UMD?

Wow, showed me...I guess I better apologize for being wrong or something. lol

Yeah taking a caster level can hasten your ability to use some items and scrolls early if you have UMD.

If a level 6 character attempts to use a raise dead scroll, you make a caster level check or UMD check. The game automatically uses whichever is more likely to work. In DDO, a caster level check will display in the UMD: chance of activation area. However, it has nothing to do with your UMD skill and having UMD ranks does not help you make these checks.

UMD CHECK:
To succeed in the use of a magical device (wand, scroll, etc), you must beat or equal the listed difficulty of that device, i.e.
D20 + total UMD Skill >= Difficulty of the device

CASTER LEVEL CHECK:
To succeed in the use of a divine or arcane scroll that your class has access to in their spell list, you must beat or equal the required caster level of the spell times 2, i.e.
D20 + (2 * class levels in a class with access to that spell) >= 2 * RequiredCasterLevel for the spell

Example:
A 9 rogue/1 cleric with 27 UMD tries to use a raise dead scroll.
UMD DC = 36
Caster level DC = 18
UMD check: D20 + 27 must be >= 36, i.e. 60% chance of success
Caster level check: D20 + 2 must be >= 18, i.e. 25% chance of success

The system will use whichever check has greater success. Your UMD score has no influence on your caster level check, i.e. 1 level of cleric does not help your UMD.

[GhoulsTouch]

Doesn't your pootie hole hurt by now? You keep talking from there, I would think that would be painful.

When using UMD to determine whether you can cast a scroll or wand, you take your UMD + your d20 roll. The level of your character only matters in this case as to what minimum level is required to cast said scroll or wand.

A resist energy 5th does not have the same UMD check as a resist energy 10th, so that really reinforces what I'm saying, rather than backing up your own stand.

So your saying if a scroll gives a percentage to be able to cast, if you had UMD that percentage would not increase?

[Shyver]

Yes but UMD also takes into consideration caster level into the equation...true or false?
Don't think so? Pick up a resist energy 5th and then a resist energy 10th then get back with me.
If a rogue has the UMD to cast from a heal scroll, why wouldn't a cleric with UMD have a better chance if that cleric wasn't high enough to cast it?

UMD has nothing to do with Caster Level when using wands and scrolls. Taking 1 level of a caster class will not improve on your UMD chance, at best (depending on level of the scroll/wand) it would use your caster level check if it was higher than your UMD check. The two are seperate checks that have nothing to do with the other.

[DoctorWhofan]

I can think of a person who utilized a single wizard in his build to help utilize UMD and became very popular here so the point is moot. Aether began with a con of 12..wind stance dropped it down. Also notice neither she nor Kreecha have great stat building, hp increasing items as yet.

One level of cleric does help with UMD especially when you multi class and can't maxx everything. Aether is a trapmonkey to the point of taking a feat for it. Her whole purpose was to hit epic traps. Now I can turn her into a Ninja Acrobat being able to use her dragonmark for displacement on top if I decided to play her again. Like I said she was an early character.

and like I said previously...I don't show all my cards.

I do. And no, not all of mine are perfect. Many are still 28pt builds from 4 years ago. Take a look.

[Uamhas]

So your saying if a scroll gives a percentage to be able to cast, if you had UMD that percentage would not increase?

What Shyv said. You don't get to combine UMD with Caster Level Check. It's an either/or case.
Edit: The percentage that the scroll lists is the base percentage calculated for that character to use the scroll. Your dice roll is added to that.

UMD has nothing to do with Caster Level when using wands and scrolls. Taking 1 level of a caster class will not improve on your UMD chance, at best (depending on level of the scroll/wand) it would use your caster level check if it was higher than your UMD check. The two are seperate checks that have nothing to do with the other.

[DoctorWhofan]

http://my.ddo.com/doctorwhofan/


There, they are listed. The Thelanis ones are the most played, and unfortunally doesn't show my alt account.

[GhoulsTouch]

Well then I guess that makes sense, I was told contrary when I first started.
I was wrong then.

I havent played her in awhile to see if there were differences.

[Iambeastx]

I was wrong then.

Woot another satisfied customer!

[Bloodhaven]

Everything GhoulsTouch said on this thread.

Thanks for the laugh, I haven't bin entertained like this in a while. Now quit kidding around and admit you are just saying these things to entertain and misinform.

Its either that or your total ignorance on these subjects.

Or not and keep playing this game of "I dont know what im talkin about". It entertains at least.



"Ignorance leaves room for people to learn!"

[Eladiun]

Time to run...