A cleric? really? Renegade feel free to respond

[GhoulsTouch]

Whatever, people were defending him when he called everyone idiots and for some reason when I said he needed to change his attitude towards his party/guildmates and to go gung-ho I got piled up on.

Clerics are also warriors, they brandish weapons and they wear armor. Unless you gimp this side of them deliberately it is very possible to carry on that role to the very end. How far you delve into these two distinct sides of them is up to you.

Some people can't heal and fight, it might be too much for them. That excitement to me is too much to pass up. Some people cringe at the idea and scream bloody murder when the party presses forward to the next encounter before being completely healed calling them zergers and every other name in the book. That isn't me.

If you haven't met a decent battle cleric, your loss...really. I met several fine battle clerics in my short time being here on all levels. To me that is what a cleric is.

Go ahead make a boring cleric... see how long it takes you to go to something else. As for me, I want that edge.

[Shyver]

Really I don't see what the hubbub is all about. Class roles, in order to have a successful life in DDO, must be well defined. Any varience from these roles is a failure in the player and as such should be belittled until the point that they step back into the appropriate and well defined class role. If you follow the class roles below you will find your gaming expieriance much more fullfilling.

Clerics/Favored Soul: Heal those in front of you, never behind. As a healer you should always be in the back and as such always have a view of whom needs the most healing attention. Any casting of spells not of the heal variety will result in mocking and name calling, as your job is to heal, not crowd control.

Wizard/Sorcerer/Bard: Keep the melee characters hasted at all times. Do not hassle them with "group on me" or "gather for haste". If you're not good enough to get you and the party on the move then cast the spell a second time on yourself. You should have plenty of spell points as the only need you have for them is the liberal casting of haste and the occasional firewall or web when and where the party leader directs you to. If you are a bard sing your songs and get the hell out of the way unless you're casting haste. Anything outside of this stepping outside of your party role, and as such will envoke the wrath of those that know better.

Monks: Roll up a real character and get back to us. Noob

Fighters/Paladins/Barbarians: Attack anything you see with a rage bordering on insanity. It is the rest of the partys job to maintain your incredible killing prowess, if any in the party deviates from their specific class roles and does anything to slow down or detour your awesomeness it is your responsibility to belittle, insult, and browbeat them back into what they are supposed to be doing.

Rogues: I don't care how cool the new mechanic buff to repeaters looks. Put it down and pick back up the dual rapiers and do some real DPS or else we'll replace you with a monk. (See monk section)

I hope you have found the class roles helpful to your future with DDO. Happy gaming!

[DoctorWhofan]

Whatever, people were defending him when he called everyone idiots and for some reason when I said he needed to change his attitude towards his party/guildmates and to go gung-ho I got piled up on.

Clerics are also warriors, they brandish weapons and they wear armor. Unless you gimp this side of them deliberately it is very possible to carry on that role to the very end. How far you delve into these two distinct sides of them is up to you.

Some people can't heal and fight, it might be too much for them. That excitement to me is too much to pass up. Some people cringe at the idea and scream bloody murder when the party presses forward to the next encounter before being completely healed calling them zergers and every other name in the book. That isn't me.

If you haven't met a decent battle cleric, your loss...really. I met several fine battle clerics in my short time being here on all levels. To me that is what a cleric is.

Go ahead make a boring cleric... see how long it takes you to go to something else. As for me, I want that edge.

Dearie..Bart is Inciting Hate and Discontent. On purpose. He does this once a month.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Dearie..Bart is Inciting Hate and Discontent. On purpose. He does this once a month.

Its his version of a visit from Autie Flow!

[GhoulsTouch]

LOL...I think it is quite funny how you come after me now because I called you out about who you were arguing clerics with. I did not even call you out on your opinion because that is all it is. TBH I agree that there are clerics who can and do fight in end game but there are VERY FEW who do it well.

My only position my dear fellow was that you are a moron to be arguing clerics with Trissa. As for riding coattails think what you will my accomplishments speak for themselves.

Okay but you were backing her up, if you think you know what she is talking about go ahead explain...
Because obviously she recanted what she said. So you stand alone...you called me a Moron. So defend this statement by telling me how having a battle cleric isn't a viable option. If you can't...well I guess we see who the real Moron is.
When one dog barks they all do..flat out, even they couldn't tell you why they do.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Sorry but I need to fix this for you Shyv

/Sarcasm on

Really I don't see what the hubbub is all about. Class roles, in order to have a successful life in DDO, must be well defined. Any varience from these roles is a failure in the player and as such should be belittled until the point that they step back into the appropriate and well defined class role. If you follow the class roles below you will find your gaming expieriance much more fullfilling.

Clerics/Favored Soul: Heal those in front of you, never behind. As a healer you should always be in the back and as such always have a view of whom needs the most healing attention. Any casting of spells not of the heal variety will result in mocking and name calling, as your job is to heal, not crowd control.

Wizard/Sorcerer/Bard: Keep the melee characters hasted at all times. Do not hassle them with "group on me" or "gather for haste". If you're not good enough to get you and the party on the move then cast the spell a second time on yourself. You should have plenty of spell points as the only need you have for them is the liberal casting of haste and the occasional firewall or web when and where the party leader directs you to. If you are a bard sing your songs and get the hell out of the way unless you're casting haste. Anything outside of this stepping outside of your party role, and as such will envoke the wrath of those that know better.

Monks: Roll up a real character and get back to us. Noob

Fighters/Paladins/Barbarians: Attack anything you see with a rage bordering on insanity. It is the rest of the partys job to maintain your incredible killing prowess, if any in the party deviates from their specific class roles and does anything to slow down or detour your awesomeness it is your responsibility to belittle, insult, and browbeat them back into what they are supposed to be doing.

Rogues: I don't care how cool the new mechanic buff to repeaters looks. Put it down and pick back up the dual rapiers and do some real DPS or else we'll replace you with a monk. (See monk section)

I hope you have found the class roles helpful to your future with DDO. Happy gaming!

/Sarcasm Off

[Bilger]

Brownnose much? There are alot of clerics out there who do and can fight even unto endgame, she admitted to it...Now what?

You still going to say they can't? Come on man defend your position or sit your coattail riding butt down...

You really need to read and follow what people are saying. All you are doing is putting your foot deeper in lol

The reply is almost childish should of put this at end would of fit with how childish it was.

[Shyver]

Sorry but I need to fix this for you Shyv

/Sarcasm on

/Sarcasm Off

But where is the fun in that?

[Eladiun]

ok....so......... my guild leader tells me i need to roll a clerc so i can be "well rounded" why?????? why should i be subjected to the loser tools that expet me to pick up there slack?

Why? Well, I can think of a couple of reasons (since I don't know you and have never run with you I can only speculate) why I would suggest/order (granted my guild does not operate this way) someone to do this ...

1) Your play style sucks and causes the healers to waste resources needlessly.
2) You constantly complain about the healers.
3) You lack basic understanding and/or self sufficiency and seeing life from a clerics side will give you needed perspective.

However, a larger issue is your general behavior as a guild mate.

1) Referring to your fellow guild members as loser tools...if this is how you really feel maybe you should find a new guild.
2) If the guild rules dictate (for any reason) that you should roll a cleric and the others have followed these rules but you don't want to...maybe you should find another guild.
3) The most unforgivable in my eyes is airing guild business/disagreements on the forums. You should hope your guild leader is more forgiving than me because I would offer you one option to retain your membership...

You roll a pure healbot cleric. You skip the Vet express boat and start at Level 1. You pug Korthos and the Harbor till level 4.

...I believe that should give you a greater appreciation for your guild mates and the trials of a healer.

[GhoulsTouch]

You really need to read and follow what people are saying. All you are doing is putting your foot deeper in lol

The reply is almost childish should of put this at end would of fit with how childish it was.

Okay how do you justify calling me a moron for saying a Cleric who is able to both Fight and Cast is a good thing and trying to argue this with "The goddess of tempest spine"?

I was called out, She must have realized what I was trying to say as she made reference to someone who had a battle cleric build and made mention it was viable, but this dude decides he is going to start something he can't finish. If she is that much of a role model he should read over what I was saying. If he wants to still call me a Moron, then he better back it, or back off.

And it seems like everyone agrees on the fact Bart needs to have more respect for both the Divine casters and his guildmates. I thought those defending him were his guildies and I couldn't for the life of me understand why.

So I did too things, I glorified the battle cleric, and tried to make him understand the importance of the other members he rolls with. That makes me a Moron huh? Yeah...(bark!)

[Sydril]

ok, I'll drop a spiel here.

For the first nigh two years I played on Xoriat I was in a guild of all real life friends. There were a little over a dozen of us, and we had only a single cleric, and he was a battle cleric who laughed at us when we asked him for something.

I still hate clerics, not because they are a bad class, they are an AMAZING class.

I hate them for the way they affect how other party members play and make decisions.

I would *highly* recommend to anyone who plays this game to try boycotting healers for a while. You might learn a thing or two about how to get along without them, and your group tactics will improve exponentially.

[Orratti]

I've gone the high wis, high con dwarven build before there Bart and I can only tell ya one thing about it. It's boring. Maybe end game it's really awesome but most of the middle levels it's just going to put you to sleep. Yes it is a great offensive caster/healing build. Can take alot of damage, has alot of sps, for a cleric anyway, but honestly I really don't think you will like it.

One thing I can agree with. It is ok for your party to rely on you but it is not ok for you to rely on your party. Really no matter what type of character I play I don't want to be relying on my party for anything. This especially goes for self defense. You can easily make a full cleric that can take care of themselves without sps without taking any big hits anywhere in the build. Cleric offensive spells are good but no so great that anyone builds an offensive casting cleric and refuses to waste spell points healing because that would reduce their damage output. If they did I would hope they would at least be capable of dealing with the aggro they draw in hand to hand otherwise they have to kite aggro through blade barriers or hope it fails a save against instadeath. All I can say about that is if you want to play like that you should build a sorcerer, warforged, if you want to be self healing, you get more offensive options and more spell points. It isn't that playing like this won't work. If you know the quest and are a decent player you can play however you like and it will work fine.

If you are in a raid from the moment it is created you have only one role in it, healer. The entire group is usually built with each party member having a specific role they need to play that cannot be strayed far from or you increase your risk of failure. There isn't much leeway to play with. Your first and formost concern is keeping you party alive if for nothing more than the fact that without them you cannot possibly complete the quest and get your loot.

In all those other times however there is a great amount of leeway and depending on who you are partied with you can either end up in a dream where you can go through a whole quest without shrining while eating a sandwich and watching the game on tv only looking at the screen every 5 minutes just to see if anyone took any damage yet, to group runs around corner while you are zoning in and 4 out of 5 of them are dead. These are the times when being built to be self sufficient pays off. This applies to every build.

[soloman]

Just because you make limp wristed clerics that fail at using weapons doesn't mean they all have to be that way, nor does it make you an expert on them. It's just all you know.
Old dog, New tricks sort of thing...

I played with capped clerics that can prove you otherwise. They know when to cast and when to slash. They are good at doing both.

Im too tired and drunk to figure it out or research it for myself so please extend me the courteousy of a list of your alts and the server you play on. Thanks in advance

[protokon]

Go drow, 6 con. If you die alot your guildies will learn to protect you like they should. Max your cha and leave wis at 8 for least amount of sp because your guildies should learn to not take so much dmg so you don't have to heal them. With the rest of your points put them into dex/intel so you can max balance so you don't get tripped by epic velah like all those other noob healers.

As someone who primarily plays healing type toons, this put me in tears


EDIT: as for OP's original question, I'm personally a fan of halfing clerics. Dwarves, Drow and Humans all make good candidates though. The real trick to cleric's isn't in the build, it's the playstyle. a well-rounded cleric can quickly cast buffs/debuffs while the party is moving, not only sit there and healbot. A good example of this would be throwing break enchantments on enemy blade barriers/glittering dust ect...

After playing a cleric, everything else is easy.

-Firstaid

[GhoulsTouch]

The only thing I back her up about was the FACT that she is an EXPERT on clerics. I've known Trissa for four years so I do have some knowledge of that of which I speak.

Oh and I don't really mind standing alone but somehow I just don't think it is me who is standing by themself.

Saying a battle cleric in the right hands is viable, is agreeing with me. Because that was my whole argument.

Playing "my little healbot"...may work for some but when you have a whole party to heal and you cast alot offensively in order to have at least some fun in your role pretty soon you are running on empty and no more then a fragile commoner rather then a hero class. I see it alot, they run out of mana then complain about wand whipping and being able to do nothing else. It's a sad sight that leaves everyone bitter. These aren't arcane casters, these are fully armored, armed, casters...if you gimp that...your fault.

And if they conserve their spell points when they can be more proactive in combat, casting every once in a while tagging along more then anything...you have a tool, cold, mechanical, boring character everyone hates to play.

Whatever...I don't care...

You called me a Moron for arguing with her about something she later said was viable...

Can it. You just backed her up blindly...go you... yay....*clap*

The reason I was cold to her was she was defending someone who called everyone around him an idiot. I guess she is used to it by the company she keeps...*cough* Moron..

[petegunn]

ok....so......... my guild leader tells me i need to roll a cleric so i can be "well rounded" why?????? why should i be subjected to the loser tools that expect me to pick up their slack? However if Being a cleric ( i am a veteran btw so it would start lvl 4 32 pt) what should i choose? a dwarf, low dv build with high con and wis? whatcha think?
i need some help...ren please feel free to tell me i suck then suggest a good 32 pt cleric build to satisfy to GL....btw i hate playing clerics but i do feel clerics should e healers not battle b'atches that, by definition is a palidine.

Bart come come none of my healers ever discriminated against any of your gimps, I smell a man on copious amounts of booze and tranquilizers lol

[Gunga]

gung-ho

Yes?

[Caine52184]

Bart..I am glad to see you still have the touch lol. You remind me of a woman with your uber leet drama skills... I remember when I couldnt hit refresh fast enough to see who posted what next lol.

[GhoulsTouch]

I want to apologize to "WHO", my whole message was to encourage the excitement one can have playing a cleric and the importance of the other players who sojourn with you. You don't have to play a boring nannybot who tags along like some tool. That's all, I didn't want a fight. I hope you can see that.

I don't take being insulted without reason lightly though, nor anyone else who gets insulted the same way likewise. That's who I won't apologize to. They need to take a better look at themselves.

Calling people idiots and morons for no reason is only making yourself look bad. Most of Thelanis is filled with good decent people and I hate the dark side of it that rears its head out every so often. So yeah, I took Barts comments as degrading to our server. And Irony forged as degrading to himself.

If I got neg rep for that...boo hoo...look I am crying. On the contrary, I wear that battle scar with pride.

I am done with this thread.

[sirdanile]

Yeah..I said all I need to say. If you don't know, you just don't.

If you play a fluff it says alot about your character. I am out...I will leave "Legion" to its own devices. Besides I can't take anymore of this.

Thank God I am not in your guild, I feel sorry for your leader. No wonder Brat called you all idiots.

I read to this point and immediately fell down laughing... dear god thats halarious... especially this part

Thank God I am not in your guild, I feel sorry for your leader.

This takes the cake... gonna read the rest of the thread to see if anything else arises.