A cleric? really? Renegade feel free to respond

[bartcom2000]

ok....so......... my guild leader tells me i need to roll a clerc so i can be "well rounded" why?????? why should i be subjected to the loser tools that expet me to pick up there slack? How ever if Being a cleric ( i am veteran btw so it would start lvl 4 32 pt) what should i choose? a dwarf, low dv build with high con and wis? whatcha think?
i need some help...ren please feel free to tell me i suck then sugest a good 32 pt cleric build to satisfy to GL....btw i hate playing clerics but i do feel clerics should e healers not battle b'atches that, by definition is a palidine.

[Ssmooth]

IMO: Dwarves get the most sp + the racial con, Humans get the extra feat + versatility, 1/2ling's get healing dragonmarks.....the list goes on.

Really with your experience, it shouldn't matter what race you choose. Just max wis, high con should be about it.

[GhoulsTouch]

I can't believe you are in a guild ... you need to pug until you realize the diversity and importance of different playstyles of the different classes. Your attitude shows alot of ignorance. If that's how you feel about playing the role of a healer I can just imagine what you normally play like. I would drop you until you matured, seriously.

[DoctorWhofan]

I can't believe you are in a guild ... you need to pug until you realize the diversity and importance of different playstyles of the different classes. Your attitude shows alot of ignorance.

He's in legion, they enforce knowledge in all classes. And Bart is many things, ignorant isn't one of them.

[GhoulsTouch]

He's in legion, they enforce knowledge in all classes. And Bart is many things, ignorant isn't one of them.

Tactical Legion?
LOL...send this guy to boot camp. Appreciation of your party members is the first thing you should learn. Calling people "losers" gives you bad marks right off. Moreso if you aren't going battle cleric, you need those "losers" probably more then they will need you.

[thwart]

This thread struck me as funny ... I am the leader of a very small guild (only my toons and my son's toons are members). However, I decided that I needed to roll/level up a cleric so that I could become a more well rounded player. Therefore, I have the wisdom to lead a large guild!

[KannyaAryien]

Tactical Legion?
LOL...send this guy to boot camp. Appreciation of your party members is the first thing you should learn. Calling people "losers" gives you bad marks right off. Moreso if you aren't going battle cleric, you need those "losers" probably more then they will need you.

Randomly curious, why would you need the party/guild more if you're not a battle cleric?

[DoctorWhofan]

Tactical Legion?
LOL...send this guy to boot camp. Appreciation of your party members is the first thing you should learn. Calling people "losers" gives you bad marks right off. Moreso if you aren't going battle cleric, you need those "losers" probably more then they will need you.

no LEGION..a totally diferrent ballgame.

[Caine52184]

Tactical Legion?
LOL...send this guy to boot camp. Appreciation of your party members is the first thing you should learn. Calling people "losers" gives you bad marks right off. Moreso if you aren't going battle cleric, you need those "losers" probably more then they will need you.

Why would you need any losers if you arent going battle cleric? You obviously dont play a cleric lol.

And no..not Tactical Legion in case you are confused. Legion and Tactical Legion are 2 different guilds.

[Robi3.0]

ignorant isn't one of them.

oh oh oh! He is drunk a lot! What do I win?

[DoctorWhofan]

OTAY Mr. Ghouls --insert some obvious well meaning and thought out explaination that went way over the person's head.--.

Hugs for you! I am glad you caught it. Therea very few battle clerics I would play with, most are under Impaqt's name. If you want to be a battlecleric, be a offensive casting/healbot/buffer first.

Saying a battle cleric in the right hands is viable, is agreeing with me. Because that was my whole argument.

Playing "my little healbot"...may work for some but when you have a whole party to heal and you cast alot offensively in order to have at least some fun in your role pretty soon you are running on empty and no more then a fragile commoner rather then a hero class. I see it alot, they run out of mana then complain about wand whipping and being able to do nothing else. It's a sad sight that leaves everyone bitter. These aren't arcane casters, these are fully armored, armed, casters...if you gimp that...your fault.

And if they conserve their spell points when they can be more proactive in combat, casting every once in a while tagging along more then anything...you have a tool, cold, mechanical, boring character everyone hates to play.

Whatever...I don't care...

You called me a Moron for arguing with her about something she later said was viable...

Can it. You just backed her up blindly...go you... yay....*clap*

The reason I was cold to her was she was defending someone who called everyone around him an idiot. I guess she is used to it by the company she keeps...*cough* Moron..

And I responded, and you overlooked. Like I said, I'll see you at 20 then talk to me.

Yes?

Gungie-poo you missed the fun!

oh oh oh! He is drunk a lot! What do I win?

no. Drunkeness doesn't BEGIN to discribe Bart.


Bart, bart, bart...you win! You got Ghost there hook, line, and sinker!

[Pyromaniac]

He's in legion, they enforce knowledge in all classes. And Bart is many things, ignorant isn't one of them.

Bart isn't in Legion. Though personally I think if you've never played a cleric or FvS then you aren't a complete player.

[centurian1]

Wow, Notice that Bart only started this topic,and has yet to reply even after 5 pages of you guys argueing over clerics and there tactics.I have to give Bart +1 for stirring it up.But I have to say that clerics and favored souls are and can be most powerful played class in game.So if you havnt played one,your surely missing out.

[Missing_Minds]

He's in legion, they enforce knowledge in all classes. And Bart is many things, ignorant isn't one of them.

There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. If he has never played in the roll of a healer, then he is ignorant of the roll and the nuances.

I am not calling Bart stupid by any means.

[GhoulsTouch]

I can think of a person who utilized a single wizard in his build to help utilize UMD and became very popular here so the point is moot. Aether began with a con of 12..wind stance dropped it down. Also notice neither she nor Kreecha have great stat building, hp increasing items as yet.

One level of cleric does help with UMD especially when you multi class and can't maxx everything. Aether is a trapmonkey to the point of taking a feat for it. Her whole purpose was to hit epic traps. Now I can turn her into a Ninja Acrobat being able to use her dragonmark for displacement on top if I decided to play her again. Like I said she was an early character.

and like I said previously...I don't show all my cards.

[bartcom2000]

There is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. If he has never played in the roll of a healer, then he is ignorant of the roll and the nuances.

I am not calling Bart stupid by any means.

I have played the role of a healer... i just find it hard to play once i 've squelched 2 or 3 in party due to excessive "wheres my bull strenght?" i tell them its at house j in a bottle, once then if asked again ...well you know...

i have rep to pass out. just gotta find the OP of the dudes. the battle cleric one is top o d list!!! i think i will make one just for the hell of it

[Caine52184]

ok....so......... my guild leader tells me i need to roll a clerc so i can be "well rounded" why?????? why should i be subjected to the loser tools that expet me to pick up there slack? How ever if Being a cleric ( i am veteran btw so it would start lvl 4 32 pt) what should i choose? a dwarf, low dv build with high con and wis? whatcha think?
i need some help...ren please feel free to tell me i suck then sugest a good 32 pt cleric build to satisfy to GL....btw i hate playing clerics but i do feel clerics should e healers not battle b'atches that, by definition is a palidine.

HI DEAR !! . First off.. quit pikcing on ren. (jk im not ren's keeper or anything, just picking on Bart) Secondly..if you hate playing a cleric PLEASE dont make one! Yes it would be nice if everyone had a cleric but I would not play a class that I dont enjoy...that's just silly.

I can't believe you are in a guild ... you need to pug until you realize the diversity and importance of different playstyles of the different classes. Your attitude shows alot of ignorance. If that's how you feel about playing the role of a healer I can just imagine what you normally play like. I would drop you until you matured, seriously.

Do you feel better now that you got that out of your system?

[GhoulsTouch]

Do you feel better now that you got that out of your system?

Just glad someone who refers to his fellow guildmates/party members as losers isn't in my guild...just saying. Moreso being the healer...good gawd.

[Chai]

If picking up the slack of the loser tools is your definition of the role of the cleric class, then I agree, you should not be forced to roll a cleric.

I think your guild leader made a good suggestion though. Seeing through the eyes of another class and what it has to do in a group will greatly influence the way you adjust your play to keep others who play them having a good opinion of you.

[Barumar]

If picking up the slack of the loser tools is your definition of the role of the cleric class, then I agree, you should not be forced to roll a cleric.

I think your guild leader made a good suggestion though. Seeing through the eyes of another class and what it has to do in a group will greatly influence the way you adjust your play to keep others who play them having a good opinion of you.

Agree, I think your Guild Leader made a good call requiring you to roll/level a Cleric!

Barumar