Thanks You Thelanis

[dragons1ayer74]

(Sorry for the length I got carried away)

Tempest Spine how I hate you so. I think that was my 6th time in that quest through many years of playing, I don't particularly lke the quest for the following reasons:
#1 At times it can take a long time to fill I do not like waiting more than 5 mins or so for groups to fill if I hadn’t been just on at the right moment and looking at the LFM, "Last spot need Arcane", I would not have joined.
#2 Player knowledge of the quest is so varied there where a few people who for sure knew the quest (I will say 3 players out of 12 unfortunately they where not leading) there where a few more people that kind of knew the quest (3 more and I would say I was in that group - I could make the run to the cave but once inside just followed the leader) and then half the people had no idea what was going on what was coming up where we where going and where just following along...and yes one of them pulled the fire lever, with no prompting warning or anything else. The variedness of this makes it tough on every one people that know it are running ahead getting stuff done and expecting others to just know it. People that don't tho it are getting lost, not learning the quest and not participating.
#3 No proper indoor map makes it easy for people to get lost and separated from the group and if your lost and don't know the quest even trying to get someone to you that does know the quest can be difficult because they don't know where to find you.
#4 Most runs take about 45 mins to an hour but this is the second time in there with a 2+ hour completion I wanted to go to bed an hour ago. One time I ran it with a group in just less than 30 minutes but everyone but me knew the quest or knew how to fake it .

I just wanted to once again thank every one who came in after the fact to save the run. Tempest spine is tough when very few people knows fully what they are doing and I will admit to being in the list of unknowing. The run was going along fairly smoothly IMO and from the past few time I had been in there; right before fire and ice their was some tension when 8 people went the wrong way hoped down some place we should not have and where lost sheep until some came and got us and led us by the hand back to the portal. I was on my wizard Krud and only arcane in the group, I have to say the 3 Favored Soul's and 1 Cleric did a great job with healing and Crowd Control. Next bit of tension came at the swim part....seriously did underwater breathing items stop dropping? Why should someone have to cast water breathing on people?

After that relatively smooth sailing until the boss their was little bit of planning but no clear leader ship, no one was sure wear all the shards where at(HUGE, HUGE, HUGE mistake mental note next time I play that quest make sure I have all 3 myself and volunteer to put them in the jars). Last fight DPS for the group was unreal but someone kept undoing the puzzle...what is up with that? Was it a miss click on the soft targeting or was the person just griefing? If some one does the puzzle do not mess it up and too who ever grabbed that one shard we needed and did not put it in unless you are sure what you are doing do not pick up a quest item! Within two minutes we had the giant down to under half 3 separate times but he kept healing back to 100% full I am guessing this was because of the missing shard or was it the broken puzzle? Then the giant blows 1/2 the part off the mountain. One of the very knowledgeable guys had jumped off after the giant went back to full the first time and went looking for the shard we needed (what one do you need Fire and Ice?), before he can get back the party is dispersed many dead, many lost. At this point half of the group quit without bothering for a retry, at an hour and ten minutes invested in the quest why not regroup for an organized attempt at the boss? Soon after a few more dropped off, rather than recall and run again from being dead in the outside area. After getting the star I put up the LFM - "Elite Tempest Spine at End BOSS come get Favor and an End Reward - Please HELP " and thankfully we filled again with very generous people who received possible favor, no XP, two end chests and an end reward. Once again thanks to all that came and pulled us out of the fire.

After Thought Questions and Comments:
1. Is there no indoor map of tempest spine (even a link to a hand drawn one on the net would be nice)?
2. Did underwater breathing items stop dropping?
3. What happens if the puzzle is not made or someone breaks the puzzle?
4. If you lead the quest and do not know it should you not pass the star off to someone that does?
5. Do people that know the quest just expect that every one knows it as good as they do?
6. It is nice to know there are many generous and helpful people that still play on this server!

[GhoulsTouch]

After Thought Questions and Comments:
1. Is there no indoor map of tempest spine?
2. Did underwater breathing items stop dropping?
3. What happens if the puzzle is not made or someone breaks the puzzle?
4. If you lead the quest and do not know it should you not pass the star off to someone that does?
5. Do people that know the quest just expect that every one knows it as good as they do?
6. It is nice to know there are many generous and helpful people that still play on this server!

1.) There is not a dungeon display map in game
2.) UA items didn't stop dropping, some people just have't had any drop or didn't hit the AH yet.
3.) The puzzle needs to be completed to make the Storm Giant vulnerable
4.) People usually follow a voice, not a star
5.) Some do, some dont
6.) People that base primarily on Thelanis tend to be some decent folk

[MrWizard]

ah, the good ole days.

Look, if you are looking at 30 minutes and you are not anywhere near the end boss, you should bail now and look for a group of people who talk, listen, and are there to play.

I don't think once, in all the gajillion runs I have been a part of have we ever had a full group of people who knew the quest.

In our case, we were loot running due to boredom and just left people who did not read the LFM and joined anyway. Some would be in the lava and xp sit, some lost throughout the dungeon...

ah, those were the days.


take a smaller group of people, even higher levels like 10th or 11th..or even higher, and run it (maybe 4-6 of you) to understand it and get a grasp of it.


many spots are stuck in some retro weird strategy like fire/ice, and the door just past the fire traps.....you gotta learn what all the people 'think is the only way to do it' so you know what to expect.

its fun once you get it down pat and stop worrying about people who have no clue and join the party (assuming you put up the lfm clearly stating loot runs, experienced people).

its a hoot....it really is...unless you are running around lost..

[DoctorWhofan]

PM me...I can help.

[dragons1ayer74]

Some sound advice MrWizard unles I go in there at my own pace with a smaller group it will likley be hard to learn, I am still not sure I want to learn it though. The challenge was not in opponents of the dungeon but from my prespective knowledge gap between players and dungeon layout and knowing even what needs to be done to get the quest complete. If I had been the origianal to post the LFM I would have passed the star to someone that knew the quest then followed tehir lead.

[cappuccino]

PM me...I can help.

But be wary....the costs/min of above referenced "help" might be a wee bit steep

[dragons1ayer74]

PM me...I can help.

Lol one of my 6 runs over the years was with you, the Queen of TS , it was still an hour inside but overall quite smooth though we still had people getting lost in that run too.

[DoctorWhofan]

But be wary....the costs/min of above referenced "help" might be a wee bit steep

Hilarious...Depends how much help he wants.

[DoctorWhofan]

Lol one of my 6 runs over the years was with you, the Queen of TS , it was still an hour inside but overall quite smooth though we still had people getting lost in that run too.

Can't helped blocked ears. Thank you. If you want a walk through of the quest, let me know. It is easy to do after the quest is completed.

[dragons1ayer74]

I might take you up on that offer. I have learned a lot and after last night I now know how to get from the bottom to the top all by myself after getting blown off two times and purposly jumping down one time.

[DoctorWhofan]

I might take you up on that offer. I have learned a lot and after last night I now know how to get from the bottom to the top all by myself after getting blown off two times and purposly jumping down one time.

Let me know via PM. It isn't that hard, andthere is a pattern to it. IF you want, and you have some, we can high level it/shortmanned SO we explain anything on the way with a group who is willing to not worry about the quest getting done.

[al73r]

People still run that quest?

[Ironforge_Clan]

People still run that quest?

I guess the uber elite quitters are just too cool for it.

[Bilger]

People still run that quest?

Well you sure don't ya quit right?

Or is it ya need an ego stroking now that can't get it by being in game?

Some people still enjoy this quest and have fun and run it just for that it is nicely designed and fun lowbie run. At lvl it is decent xp maybe not for time spent but still for fun value and xp to boot it is a good one IMO

[Judo]

I guess the uber elite quitters are just too cool for it.

In Alter's defense, I never run that quest either. At level, it's simply not worth the xp/min. It's not that he (or I) are zuber, it's not like we run for nostalgia, and the xp is simply not worth the time.

[Ironforge_Clan]

In Alter's defense, I never run that quest either. At level, it's simply not worth the xp/min. It's not that he (or I) are zuber, it's not like we run for nostalgia, and the xp is simply not worth the time.

Fair enough Judo. I can see your point and if that is your thing and the way you like to play the game I can't fault you for that. I don't power level so I tend to run pretty much everything. I still think it is one of the better quests in the game due to its length and design.

[DoctorWhofan]

Fair enough Judo. I can see your point and if that is your thing and the way you like to play the game I can't fault you for that. I don't power level so I tend to run pretty much everything. I still think it is one of the better quests in the game due to its length and design.

I have so much agreement with this statement that I cannot contain myself!

TS ROCKS!!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

[Ironforge_Clan]

I have so much agreement with this statement that I cannot contain myself!

TS ROCKS!!! WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

Trissa I learn my appreciate for the quest from you and yes you were kind enough to teach it to me when I first started!

[Bilger]

In Alter's defense, I never run that quest either. At level, it's simply not worth the xp/min. It's not that he (or I) are zuber, it's not like we run for nostalgia, and the xp is simply not worth the time.

To each there own. It is a fun quest that although it is time consuming and the xp ratio sucks. Last time at lvl got 10k I believe(might be wrong) but takes time to complete which lowers xp ratio.

That is why alot of vets and such don't run as much anymore if at all. Some do and love it!!

As far as Alter will not go into that here and it's not just this post that is getting on alot of people I knows nerves and don't want to derail this further.

[Zion_Halcyon]

**** - I was one of the people who just kind of knows the map, and was in on this, and it was indeed a mess. Now I wish I hung with it because I really wanted the elite favor and those chests, but when the few people who seemed to know what they were doing bailed on the thing, including the original group leader, I figured it was done. Hell, I even gave it one more try re-entering with 3 other people.

But yeah, that was a real mess - my second time up the spine, and just a wreck.

The real issue is this - if you are in a new map, and don't know it, then STAY WITH THE GROUP. Too many hot shot players who just ran around and got lost. And it ticked me off, because at times, since I don't know the quest great yet (only my second spine run), I ended up following someone who had NO CLUE where they were going!

It was a royal mess, but man, now I really wish I had stayed. Was hard at the time though too, because when I finally did bail, it was already 2am here. Awesome to hear that someone helped you finish. I'd have stuck around had the group leaders not bailed on the thing.