To good to nerf green steal.

[osirisisis]

I saw one of the devs say there avoiding nerfing Green Steal. I dont have the link at the moment.

My question is why is a green steal move from 12 min level to 16 min level, removing the extra +2 to damage, changing good burst to just pure good, and droping level 12 to end game mobs hit points by 10% or so across the board, so much to ask for, when turbine decided to nerf wounding and puncturing to:

1. 95% less viable and deceasing its value by more then 95%

2. Wronging it's veteran population that choose to put a massive amount of work that it took to build the net worth to obtain these elite weapons by that hard work with one simple change, a veteran population that supported the game from the beginning in its most fragile time and deserves to be grand fathered in.

3. All because 30% more viability in swing per kill ratio on trash mobs vs. the common vorpal was considered SOOOOOOO imbalance, in a game where 95% of the party wipes and combat challenge happen at red names where w/p is useless.

4. Destroying most of what little random loot excitement factor was left in the random loot table at the time.

So my question to the turbine dev team is: If w/p was so bad that it had to be eradicated basically, with the list of all the negative side effects that came with it, instead of just raising the rarity of wound or puncturing effects X 100 with no bias to class based end reward, Then why is GREEN STEAL TO GOOD TO NERF?

When:

Tier 3 green steal is about 280% more effective DPS then its min level 12 random loot table counter parts, with a unnatural level to gear ratio growth curve diluted the random loot table value of many founding players accounts with its massive magic bloat, and in karmic irony is now cause mass lag problems and client crashes.

Does the Turbine team still feel that W/P nerf was the right move? and if not what restitution is in store? because I don't appreciate my entertainment company destroying years of half of my hard work and half my account value with one move.

W/P 130% viability with the massive amount of work to aquire for trade in value VS "Take out the Trash" mobs nerfed into oblivion.
Green Steel 280% viability vs EVERY THING Un nerfed.
I fail to see the logic in this behavior.

[Trillea]

[BlackSteel]

+1

saved alot of us the effort

[oweieie]

They probably can't figure out how to nerf it any more than they can figure out how to make greensteel hand wraps.

[rjedi]

/Kick count

(Standard): This horse has been kicked 432933 times.

[Chai]

/Kick count

(Standard): This horse has been kicked 432933 times.

And died after the 300th kick...

[BlackSteel]

God what would I do with out all these highly intelligent and logical responses to my posts.

I think you mightve exhausted all of those last year with pretty much the exact same posts on a daily basis.

cept now you'll have a F2P audience who have no idea just how crazy w/p was back in the day with crit rage barbs or tempest splashes

[osirisisis]

I think you mightve exhausted all of those last year with pretty much the exact same posts on a daily basis.

cept now you'll have a F2P audience who have no idea just how crazy w/p was back in the day with crit rage barbs or tempest splashes

I think your "how crazy" is a pathetic over dramatization. If w/p worked on red names or purple names and killed them in 8 to 25 swings then you would have a good point in my opinion, but they never did so the nerf was completely unnecessary and by far never out weighted its sideffects.

[GreenGurgler]

God what would I do with out all these highly intelligent and logical responses to my posts.

Maybe your point was lost in the fact that 95% of your facts were exaggerated and 95% of them were unsubstantiated. Using wild, obviously inaccurate and fabricated statistics and generalities makes any valid argument you have seem almost 95% useless. Your fabricated statistics destroyed your entire argument.

Just saying....

[Lithic]

Raising the min lvl of greensteel would change nothing at all except for TR's. Non TRs will almost certainly hit lvl 20 before they make their first tier 3 greensteel item. Few (if any) are even flagged for the shroud before your suggested min lvl 16, and fewer still get into shroud groups before lvl 16.

TRing is already quite long and annoying. Don't make it worse. Greensteel at lvl 11/12 is about all that makes it palatable.

[osirisisis]

Maybe your point was lost in the fact that 95% of your facts were exaggerated and 95% of them were unsubstantiated. Using wild, obviously inaccurate and fabricated statistics and generalities makes any valid argument you have seem almost 95% useless. Your fabricated statistics destroyed your entire argument.

Just saying....

Ok Grugler

There is a w/p rapiers on the AGG sever AH that have sat around 1 mil plat buy out for the last month and now its sitting at 800K along with some higher priced ones that of course are not getting any action. Traditionally I find AH buyout prices about 200% give or take private sales done player to player ... translates into w/p rapiers are probably worth less then 500 K at the moment in the ARG. population base, when pre nerf they were valued at about 6 mil plat putting the quote of 95% value at a close estimate that give or take a little is right on point.

Currently in the game to day I would challenge you to find 5% of the trash mob population on any difficultly that dies faster to a w/p rapier specked and geared toon in swing to kill ratio vs my pick of specked toon and gear alternative, which I would doubt you will due and would even be willing to make a wager on if you would like.


So as for "your facts were exaggerated and 95% of them were unsubstantiated. Using wild, obviously inaccurate and fabricated statistics and generalities makes any valid argument you have seem almost 95% useless."

I would say that my claims are close estimates, completely testable and can be substantiated.
As for inaccurate they are averages not absolutes and slightly bias but for the majority true and in some cases conservative.

[FluffyCalico]

God what would I do with out all these highly intelligent and logical responses to my posts.

Becasue it was logical to buy up all the w/p on firesale at the auction house after the nerf was announced because you thought you could personally convince them not to do it?

[Burtle]

[osirisisis]

Becasue it was logical to buy up all the w/p on firesale at the auction house after the nerf was announced because you thought you could personally convince them not to do it?

Let the record show that I owned 3 w/p rapiers that I worked very hard for over a 2 year period pre nerf announcement and bought 3 more on the fire sale for 4.5 mil plat.

Let the record show that I was a very unhappy customer when 18 mil in account value was lost due to a very poor choice was made by turbine to nerf my and others gear because of 30% viablity on trash mobs.

Let the record show that I did buy up 3 w/p rapiers on the fire sale at a time when my 5 main toons had the best of the best all ready except the 3 rapiers and in speculation of risk of turbine changing there mind and biasly posted on the fourms lobbying to fight the nerf on what I think today is still a very solid position.

So yes fluffy guilty as charged.

They will make great trophy's in my air ship.........seeing how decoration is about all there good for.

[sephiroth1084]

The problems with greensteel weapons have nothing to do with their ML; most characters don't acquire a GS item/weapon until they are level 15 or higher, and new players likely don't until they are close to, or at, 20. The only people who benefit from the current ML are TR'ed vets and vets with a lot of excess ingredients twinking out a new character. That isn't really a problem.

The problem is that GS are just so much better than 95% of the stuff we find in random loot.

The problem is that GS weapons are throwing out many more things to calculate than other weapons, and contributing to lag.

The devs are avoiding nerfing these since they represent quite a lot of effort and planning (not that building a character, say around TWF, didn't, but...people feel strongly about their loot).


WoP needed to be nerfed for completely different reasons: basically, WoPs completely changed the way every character played, and had essentially everyone ignoring most of their class abilities and focus in order to get better as using WoPs, including making all of the DPS options classes have largely insignificant when compared to attack speed increases, because WoP was just so much better than things like sneak attack, rage, smite, etc...


If you're going to ***** about something, at least figure out this **** works, and the reasoning behind it.

[Velexia]

STEAL

1. to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch.

2. to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

3. to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance: He stole my girlfriend.
4. to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle (usually fol. by away, from, in, into, etc.): They stole the bicycle into the bedroom to surprise the child.

5. Baseball . (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball, as by running to it during the delivery of a pitch.

6. Games . to gain (a point, advantage, etc.) by strategy, chance, or luck.

7. to gain or seize more than one's share of attention in, as by giving a superior performance: The comedian stole the show.


STEEL

1. any of various modified forms of iron, artificially produced, having a carbon content less than that of pig iron and more than that of wrought iron, and having qualities of hardness, elasticity, and strength varying according to composition and heat treatment: generally categorized as having a high, medium, or low-carbon content.

2. a thing or things made of this metal.

3. a flat strip of this metal used for stiffening, esp. in corsets; stay.

4. a bar of this metal that has one end formed to hold a bit for driving through rock.

5. steels, stocks or bonds of companies producing this metal.

6. a sword.

7. a rounded rod of ridged steel, fitted with a handle and used esp. for sharpening knives.

[Eladiun]

God what would I do with out all these highly intelligent and logical responses to my posts.

You want an intelligent answer. It never made sense to me that the ML on GS was 12 when you can't even get in the Vale till 14. This obviously didn't matter before TR though. However, changing it would solve what issue exactly? Overpowered TR's grinding the same content for the 300th time? Not really something than needs fixing...

[osirisisis]

You want an intelligent answer. It never made sense to me that the ML on GS was 12 when you can't even get in the Vale till 14. This obviously didn't matter before TR though. However, changing it would solve what issue exactly? Overpowered TR's grinding the same content for the 300th time? Not really something than needs fixing...

I say referance # 27 in this thread.........with green steal min level being 30 if it came out of the random loot table any min level nerf would be a step in the right direction. The TR exp bloat is a separate issue with a separate remedy.

[oberon131313]

God what would I do with out all these highly intelligent and logical responses to my posts.

I would love to respond intelligently and logically to your post, but I just for the life of me can't understand what you are trying to say.

Maybe I'm just tired...