Kinda Funny ....... what is the point?

[Drfirewater79]

(appologize for my bad spelling a head of time so please forgive me and if you cannot read through it then just dont reply save your breath i dont care)

I find it kind of funny when issues the players have with changes or things that are flat out UND&D are discussed no compramise is made at all ... in stead they say too bad ... well what is the point of discussing the change and displeasure in it?

when major unbalanced issues about shintao are brought up and hundreds of posts on the matter ..... and no dev response ... then what is the point of testing and writing threads on a beta server at all?

When a change that is tested and proven not to work from the players side ... rather then delay the change till it can be worked through and have it actually work it gets pushed through anyway ...... then what is the point of testing?

I find that this style of testing that turbine wants us to do .... on a preview server ... where the testing should have already been done well before lama with numbers that far out do lama before it even is thought about being added to a PREVIEW (suggesting already completed just not ready for marketing live release) server.

While i quite enjoyed going over to lama and seeing the new content and seeing how far in one week of barely playing in a guild of one i could get ...

i am however quite disappointed in the lack of feedback we are getting from the development team on major issues ...

some of the major issues i have yet to see valid dev feed back on in following the dev tracker are

shintao monks

over all monk AP cost

Renown amounts by level and difficulty

Guild problems stemming from renown

Potential of Delaying TWF nerf till its working correctly

Potential of compramise rather then dumbify dice rolls (rather then 1-6 and dice on bottom changing the description to 1d6[1-6] or 1-6 [1d6] terminology as suggested by the players


I am sure that while I could list more issues that are not being talked about with the players dispite the hundreds of posts . .these are the few topics that came to mind ...

I am not the only one who wants the answers but it appears i am one of the only ones willing to put his rump on the line to call for dev's attention where it is needed.

If this post in some way offends a DEV or player please rather then give me an infraction point or neg rep or lengthy post detailing how much of a jerk i am simply PM me with what offends you and i would be glad to dumb down my post without removing my opinion or direction of the thread.

I am not so hard to talk to that i wouldnt understand without you taking it too far .... thank you for your co -opperation.

[Eladiun]

MoB hit points

[MrWizard]

point is to have fun and play a game.

We know for sure the update will come around the end of the month.

So we play as we do til then...then we play after the update...

there is not much else to do.


I would suggest if the monk is a real issue, just do not play it.
I never built a THF because of the complete lack of detail and pure vagueness of the whole setup..

no biggie.

I know it is frustrating, but I think the devs really like to leave a humongous black hole in knowledge of the game so players can step up and make ddocast, wiki, character planner, and so much more...

of course a real manual would be better, but these great players would never have done the work they did...

I think they want it 'vast and mysterious'....or like every other online game company never thought about hiring someone to write a manual.

[Drfirewater79]

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I would suggest if the monk is a real issue, just do not play it.

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I know it is frustrating, but I think the devs really like to leave a humongous black hole in knowledge of the game so players can step up and make ddocast, wiki, character planner, and so much more...

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I think they want it 'vast and mysterious'....or like every other online game company never thought about hiring someone to write a manual.

I am sorry if i sound offensive cause its not my intention but suggesting that i JUST NOT PLAY MY MONK cause they screwed something up and wont reply to the thousands of posts on the issue

is not an option ...

my monks are my favorite characters ..... they where just fine in live ... and the tons of posts on the issues require nothing more then a "YEAH WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT" or a "NICE IDEAS WILL BE MAKING CHANGES TO THE PRE IN UPDATE 6 BASED ON YOUR FEEDBACK"

there i no point in testing anything if fixes are not intended to be made .....

suggesting that people just not play the characters they pay good money to have is ignorant.

further more no one is asking for a walkthrough of anything ... and that is where ddocast and wikis come in handy they are gameplay manuals and information centers ...

lama is suppost to be preview and testing to prevent drastic stupidity from making it to live servers.

they aren't even on the same topic list and has nothing to do with my displeasure in the turbine dev teams lack of response to the feedback suggested by the players.

no one is asking for a manual

MMOs dont usually have them in great detail because MMOs change so frequently that they would be outdated in months.

what we are asking for is information directly attached to the feedback we are giving .. .since we beta test for free in this game the least they could do is talk to us and address our conserns or at least tell us they are looking into it or understand our stance.

aside from your DONT PLAY YOUR MONK bit .... nothing you said is on topic with the thread????

again not trying to pick a fight or be offensive just calling it like i see it.

[grodon9999]

Turbine doesn't want our feedback unless it's positive. The whole test server is a sham.

[Drfirewater79]

Turbine doesn't want our feedback unless it's positive. The whole test server is a sham.

I agree

total waste of time cause turbine doesnt listen to anyone but the yes men on the forums anyway.

just to further my point in the OP

today the last dev communication as eladrin at 8:15 this morning ....

its now 2:52pm

and his comment was comical not informative and didnt address any issues at all

[ezgoezit]

While I agree with you OP on your general point, I am sure that the Devs are working on stuff and they are not trying to be rude or dismissive. I can only guess they have hit a point of information saturation and can't handle the amount of incoming information as well as deal with everything else they are working on... We do not know what their U5 priorities are because some of the things they need to address are game balance issue while there are other things like the VoM post I read earlier that seem like game breaking issues.

I am guessing that it is like one of the devs described lag in The Shroud the other day. Everything thing is fine with the data processing until an event horizon occurs and lag takes over. I think we have hit that point and we just need to give them a break to catch up.

Believe me, I'd love to hear feedback on almost every issue you mentioned, and as I mentioned in another post, it doesn't make sense to me to keep on testing until I start hearing some feedback, because they may have already decided on some of the issues I have been testing.

Give em a brake,

Ez


Post Script- Please don't neg rep me for trying to see things from their point of view...

[Drfirewater79]

While I agree with you OP on your general point, I am sure that the Devs are working on stuff and they are not trying to be rude or dismissive. I can only guess they have hit a point of information saturation and can't handle the amount of incoming information as well as deal with everything else they are working on... We do not know what their U5 priorities are because some of the things they need to address are game balance issue while there are other things like the VoM post I read earlier that seem like game breaking issues.

I am guessing that it is like one of the devs described lag in The Shroud the other day. Everything thing is fine with the data processing until an event horizon occurs and lag takes over. I think we have hit that point and we just need to give them a break to catch up.

Believe me, I'd love to hear feedback on almost every issue you mentioned, and as I mentioned in another post, it doesn't make sense to me to keep on testing until I start hearing some feedback, because they may have already decided on some of the issues I have been testing.

Give em a brake,

Ez


Post Script- Please don't neg rep me for trying to see things from their point of view...

No dont be silly ... i agree with you ... if the matter was simple like they are fixing it now and what not that wouldnt be an issue at all ...

the problem is they dont say anything ... not, looking into it or considering or gonna delay it till update 6 so we can rework it ... instead we are hit with a blinding silence

this is a test server .... there is no point in testing without back and forth feedback ..

while i understand people working on the patch cannot work on it and respond but you would figure that they would have one or two people willing to discuss the issues that seem to be the most heated ... or for god sake start there own thread and deal with alot of issues all at once and simply state that they will not be monitoring replys on that thread till lama patch is complete with new release notes.

then again maybe i am asking to much from a company who has shown customer service is the lowest part of there priorities list... unless they could find some way to charge more for it.

[Eladiun]

Potential of compramise rather then dumbify dice rolls (rather then 1-6 and dice on bottom changing the description to 1d6[1-6] or 1-6 [1d6] terminology as suggested by the players

It looks like this was intended to be optional but can't be rolled back prior to U5...

Thanks for the feedback.

For what it's worth, it's not our intention to drain the D&D out of the game. We're proud that we're D&D, that our game is unique amongst the competition, etc.

We're really just trying to make the game more accessible. We had a bit of a snafu with the D&D dice thing in the sense that it was supposed to be an option. I don't believe in forcing anyone to play the way I might want to play, but rather provide a choice. We are not able to revert this change for Update 5.

Speaking of accessibility, this is vital for our business model. I appreciate that most of you don't understand why it's difficult to understand that d6 = 1-6 but we get plenty of feedback from those who don't - or are intimidated by the complexities of D&D. While you might think that they don't deserve to play the game, we respectfully disagree.

I myself look at a spell tooltip that says something to the effect of "2d6+1 per caster level (max n)" and think "This is a computer - why do I need to do the math in the middle of an action game? You know my caster level, just tell me the range. And if I'm running maximize, take that into account!" Sure, I want to have access to the formula too, but mostly I want to know the bottom line.

Anyway, I'm not trying to tell you how you should feel about this. Your opinions and reactions are yours; all I'm trying to say is that we aren't intentionally trying to remove D&D from the game - we're trying to remove any barriers that prevent non-D&D experienced folks from otherwise enjoying an awesome game.

[Dragonhyde]

(appologize for my bad spelling a head of time so please forgive me and if you cannot read through it then just dont reply save your breath i dont care)

I find it kind of funny when issues the players have with changes or things that are flat out UND&D are discussed no compramise is made at all ... in stead they say too bad ... well what is the point of discussing the change and displeasure in it?

when major unbalanced issues about shintao are brought up and hundreds of posts on the matter ..... and no dev response ... then what is the point of testing and writing threads on a beta server at all?

When a change that is tested and proven not to work from the players side ... rather then delay the change till it can be worked through and have it actually work it gets pushed through anyway ...... then what is the point of testing?

I find that this style of testing that turbine wants us to do .... on a preview server ... where the testing should have already been done well before lama with numbers that far out do lama before it even is thought about being added to a PREVIEW (suggesting already completed just not ready for marketing live release) server.

While i quite enjoyed going over to lama and seeing the new content and seeing how far in one week of barely playing in a guild of one i could get ...

i am however quite disappointed in the lack of feedback we are getting from the development team on major issues ...

some of the major issues i have yet to see valid dev feed back on in following the dev tracker are

shintao monks

over all monk AP cost

Renown amounts by level and difficulty

Guild problems stemming from renown

Potential of Delaying TWF nerf till its working correctly

Potential of compramise rather then dumbify dice rolls (rather then 1-6 and dice on bottom changing the description to 1d6[1-6] or 1-6 [1d6] terminology as suggested by the players


I am sure that while I could list more issues that are not being talked about with the players dispite the hundreds of posts . .these are the few topics that came to mind ...

I am not the only one who wants the answers but it appears i am one of the only ones willing to put his rump on the line to call for dev's attention where it is needed.

If this post in some way offends a DEV or player please rather then give me an infraction point or neg rep or lengthy post detailing how much of a jerk i am simply PM me with what offends you and i would be glad to dumb down my post without removing my opinion or direction of the thread.

I am not so hard to talk to that i wouldnt understand without you taking it too far .... thank you for your co -opperation.

*blinks* reads...I see Hack has had his caffeine infusion this morning

[Drfirewater79]

*blinks* reads...I see Hack has had his caffeine infusion this morning

lets just say i got a PM that PO'd me to the point that i thought I should be more honest in a way that is not directed at any ONE person but instead addresses ALL the issues that are being deflected and ignored ....