earned vs bought

[Eladiun]

I cannot express my opinion adequately within the terms of the TOS. It's complete <explitive deleted> <explitive deleted>.

[Stuttrboy]

You people have broken logic. Just because you can buy the best for cash does not mean you must have cash for the best, it just makes it easier. Go farm some TPs.

[Eladiun]

You people have broken logic. Just because you can buy the best for cash does not mean you must have cash for the best, it just makes it easier. Go farm some TPs.

Yeah, that's what I want to do grind TP.

[Melyc'inya]

Yeah, that's what I want to do grind TP.

Then don't and let someone else in the guild take care of it...unless you're a one-person guild. Then I guess you're SOL, or gotta pay.

Or...you can just buy yourself the ones available for plat, and deal with not having a tiny number of extra amenities. Oh no, how terrible.

[Coldin]

Why are people so obsessed with getting the best for free?

Isn't that the point? That you can't have the best for free? You can get near the best for fairly cheap though. And with some time and effort, you can get the very best by grinding some points.

I really don't think a few extra slots on a ship is going to make or break any guild, especially since everything can be replaced if need be. You want to simply pay in-game gold? Then buy the one amenity you want, slot it in, use it, then switch it out for the next thing you want. I'm sure no guild is going to want all three shroud altars on their airship at the same time. Or all three different navigators.

The store is offering a little perk to people that want to spend the points. Much like hair dyes and cosmetic hats.

So, let's try to focus on the important things. All that wind on the airships!

[osirisisis]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

My opinion is its a very poor choice by turbine to sell out the game.

It's not just the ships

There's a long list of better items that can be bought with real cash vs cant be earned in game.
There are even items now that can be bought and traded to other players which means now turbine has put a cash price on account gear value to a degree.
Along with other items like the True heart where you can grind or pay...........your choice and who wants to wait 20 days grinding 20 grossly overpowered epic dungeons when they can just spend 10 bucks. I'd bet 95% of the TR hearts are bought not earned. With a new nerf on the way with now you do VON1 and you get fragments not a token.

Short term sell out marketing technique vs long term game quality true players satisfaction in corporate integrity .

[Quanefel]

Although I agree with the OP. The simple fact is, this is how Turbine markets some store items to nudge players into buying the obvious superior items from the store rather the inferior version earned in-game.

If the store bought versions were "just" an option, they would be equal to the version earned in-game. They are not just an option, they are of course the...better option. And better looking option as well from what I have seen.

Since they have not announced how much the AD's are even going to be worth, people should avoid assuming they will be cheap on TP. No one really knows yet. Who knows, it could be that we can earn the AD's in-game as well.

[tfangel]

I don't have a problem with it at all. Paying Turbine money = game continues.

This, plus, i've earned my money, and i show i like the game by spending some of it in the store. You don't want to, fine. You also seem to forget you can get those TPs by in game activities, so there you go.

[Hendrik]

Are you really that naive?
Do you really think that it won't happen exactly like that?

And we will laugh at them then as we do now with people having to link weapons or be MyDDO'd to join groups.

[Krag]

Why are people so obsessed with getting the best for free?

Why can't we buy epic SoS from the Store? Same reason.

[Lorz]

Probably short lived cows though.
No more 4 year cows. It's 3-6 months cows now...

And if at the end of each quarter they make more profit from turning the cows....then it is very justifiable. And honestly if you have listened to the reports.....new players are the life blood of the game.....not us old grizzled jaded vets. And that is the lesson value to take from this. Forget the old model it was going under.......the new model is a profit center and they would be crazy not to tailor their product to it.


Also I hear even if some rubes buy a lvl 70 ship....it will be empty due to decay and you must have guild of that renown to get any of those perks.

[AyumiAmakusa]

I think it should be the other way around. Make the smaller airship be buyable in the DDO store for those that don't want to 'earn' it and also make it easier to earn the smaller airship in-game. But with the big airship, make it so that it is only accessible in-game but you need a really high Guild Renown level of above 26. Look at the Store and you can see it in effect. How many of you can actually buy a shroud item off the store? How many of you can buy a weapon from the store with Vorpal in its name? I don't see why the airship can't be the same.

[Eladiun]

Then don't and let someone else in the guild take care of it...unless you're a one-person guild. Then I guess you're SOL, or gotta pay.

Or...you can just buy yourself the ones available for plat, and deal with not having a tiny number of extra amenities. Oh no, how terrible.

Listen sparky, I've run every harbor quest so many times my eyes bleed like some sort of plat farmer. Rerolling and grinding to 100 points of favor and repeating isn't a game; It's a job and I already Pay to Play this game. I'm not some cheapskate F2P. I play for enjoyment. I don't have a problem with grinding. I'd grind top end content and raids for astral diamonds without complaint making them DDO store only is a pile of garbage.

[Coldin]

Why can't we buy epic SoS from the Store? Same reason.

Let's be fair. To get that Epic SoS, you have to buy the VoN adventure pack. It's not exactly free either.

[JOTMON]

By your logic the store should sell +5 tomes even though you can only pull +4s in the game.

Would anyone be surprised if they did, We can already buy +2 BTA supreme tomes (+2 to all stats across the board).
And yet the 1750 favor +2 single stat tome of your choice is BTC.

Who wouldnt purchase a +4/+5 tome if they became available in the DDO store with the difficulty in getting +4 tomes as it is the draw to crack the wallet would be hard to resist( I've got 40 TOD runs in on a couple of toons and still no +4 tomes yet). So needless to say if they popped up in the store as one of those specials, I would be hard pressed to resist.

[JOTMON]

Have you seen some of the ship buffs? +2 stacking stats, +30 stacking elemental resists, bonuses to hit or damage that stack with everything else, store bought ships have more 'slots' for these bonuses, they may as well be selling +5 tomes

Eessentially this is just upgraded house P favor.

The elemental resists are not stacking resists.
The stacking stats stack with "most bonuses".. not sure what ones they do not stack as it seems to stack with everything (any clarification as to the type of bonus this is .. Alchemal/morale/insight???)

[Krag]

Let's be fair. To get that Epic SoS, you have to buy the VoN adventure pack. It's not exactly free either.

And I would be the first one to praise Turbine for releasing high-level raid to grind for Ship materials.

[Coldin]

And I would be the first one to praise Turbine for releasing high-level raid to grind for Ship materials.

Really? Because if I had my choice between spending 500 TP on a ship, or spending 500 TP on the ability to grind for parts for a ship, I would choose the ship every time.

[Melyc'inya]

Listen sparky, I've run every harbor quest so many times my eyes bleed like some sort of plat farmer. Rerolling and grinding to 100 points of favor and repeating isn't a game; It's a job and I already Pay to Play this game. I'm not some cheapskate F2P. I play for enjoyment. I don't have a problem with grinding. I'd grind top end content and raids for astral diamonds without complaint making them DDO store only is a pile of garbage.

I will admit, I definitely think it's silly to use the term "astral diamonds" which are apparently a higher form of platinum, and not have any way to trade said platinum to get them. In fact, I'd be rather happy if they made AD available in that manner, 'cause it makes bloody sense. But, it is Turbine's choice, and having people pay for extra-shiny goodies with real money also makes sense in the "free to play" model. If you don't want to pay more than you already have for two extra of each bind point an a nice blue paint job, then don't; let other people in your guild do it, or live with the plat-bought flavor.

[Cyr]

You people have broken logic. Just because you can buy the best for cash does not mean you must have cash for the best, it just makes it easier. Go farm some TPs.

You have broken logic. Being able to aquire everything in game should be achievable without having to re-roll a toon 1000's of times. That is the problem. It's not a grind = evil problem. It's a you can't grind with your character you want to play problem. This makes the grind not fun. That is a dumb use of a time sink in a video game as the best grinds are the ones which feel the least like grinds because they encourage enjoyable play behavior.