earned vs bought

[FluffyCalico]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

[Twitchster]

You can still get an airship for straight up in-game money.

So what if there are choices (yes bigger) that cost actual money... Turbine is not a non-profit organization.

Remember... putting money into the game adds longevity to your fun.

This is just one person's opinion though.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

It is rather annoying that if you want the best, you have to buy, not earn it in game.
I think that they should make the plat bought and the store bought ships exactly the same.
And just make the level requirement for the store bought ones a bit lower.
Then, at least, it will be like everything else in the game, either grind or pay.

[FluffyCalico]

You can still get an airship for straight up in-game money.

So what if there are choices (yes bigger) that cost actual money... Turbine is not a non-profit organization.

Remember... putting money into the game adds longevity to your fun.

This is just one person's opinion though.

By your logic the store should sell +5 tomes even though you can only pull +4s in the game.

[Twitchster]

By your logic the store should sell +5 tomes even though you can only pull +4s in the game.

I would agree with you if we were talking about something that was going to affect game play.. but since this just adds "prestige" to guilds.. that comparison does not work.

[Auran82]

I would agree with you if we were talking about something that was going to affect game play.. but since this just adds "prestige" to guilds.. that comparison does not work.

Have you seen some of the ship buffs? +2 stacking stats, +30 stacking elemental resists, bonuses to hit or damage that stack with everything else, store bought ships have more 'slots' for these bonuses, they may as well be selling +5 tomes

[Twitchster]

I never denied that there were not perks ( nothing totally game changing ) to having the better ships.. but do you really think they are going to not try to make money on something that will rake in the cash guaranteed?

I would love if everything was completely able to be gained in-game.. Its just not going to happen with their new business model unfortunately.

It could be worse.. all ships could have to be bought with store points.

[Deaeth]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

Um, you can get the best ship in the game without spending a dime. And I'm not even talking about grinding favor to earn TP. I'm talking about VIP's using their TP for the ship. That TP that vips get is FREE to them for being a paying memeber. So ok, maybe you can say it's not free since we pay for membership, but that's our choice. If each VIP member chips in a little bit, there's no reason any reasonably sized guild, hell even a small guild, can earn the best ship.

If you want to argue that VIP's are spending money, then I'll just rebuttal with grind the favor, earn the TP, boom, you got the best ship w/o paying a dime. Will that take longer? Hell yes it will. But there IS a way to get the best ship for free, no real life money spent!

Like someone else said. Turbine is NOT a non-profit organization. /nuff said!

[Rice]

Update 5: Rise of the TP spending

[Deaeth]

I would love if everything was completely able to be gained in-game.. Its just not going to happen with their new business model unfortunately.

Again, everything, yes EVERYTHING can be played, earned, used, bought, for not one dime ever in your life. Grind favor, earn TP. Yes, it'll be a very very very long struggle, but can be done. Hell took me 20 mins with a little help to grind out 100 favor on another server for all the first time bonus's you get. GEt someone, or dual box with a high lvl caster or w/e. Grind out 100 favor on a toon. Delete it, remake another one, different name, grind out another 100 favor. Yes it's only 25tp a pop, but if you grind out a quick 100 favor lets say 4 times a day for lets say 1 month straight (30 day month) That's 3000 TP. Does NOT take long to grind out 100 favor. There's actualy quite a few, VERY Fast harbor quests that give out 12 favor for elite. Do a quick run of the korthos inside quests for 6 favor. Then hit up Collaborater on Elite, that's 12 more for 18, Butchers path, INfo is key, New ringleader quests on elite brings you up to 54. Garrisons, Durks, Swiped Signet boom there's 90 favor in what? 30 mins maybe? Get the last 10 on your own instead of me telling ya how. Do that even 2 times a day for 30 and that's 1500 free TP. Do it ONCE a day for 750 free TP a month, that's more than VIP's get!

Nothings FREE in this world, yet you can find a way to play this game TOTALLY free with just a LITTLE work involved. Stop complaining you have to get certain things from the DDO store. Turbine needs ot make money too cuz some people will just buy points, and that's what turbine wants. But they will allow you to play free, you just have to work at it just a little harder.

[Deaeth]

Oh and silly me. I forgot an obvious step in my above posted process.

If your guild wants to farm the AD's for the guild to get an airship, and noone really wants to pay money for it. Have 5 players make these level 1 toons, and one person run em through my little quest chain I mentioned. Do that once a day for a month. That's 3750 TP PER time you 5 get the 100 favor runs. Up that to twice a day and boom you got 7500 FREE TP's.

As soon as we can find out what the AD to TP rate is on the DDO Store, then we will know how far that 7500 free TP's will go!

[Dendrix]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I don't have a problem with it at all. Paying Turbine money = game continues.

[Daggaz]

Um, you can get the best ship in the game without spending a dime. And I'm not even talking about grinding favor to earn TP. I'm talking about VIP's using their TP for the ship. That TP that vips get is FREE to them for being a paying memeber. *snip*!

Lol, man... serious? What planet do you come from?? Its free cuz they pay for it? No wonder the world economy is ... nevermind.. just nevermind.

OP: Turbine might as well change all of their adds, as the game is no longer 100% free/unlockable. Thats actually quite the rubicon to cross for them.. seems like direction at the DEVS table has been thrown to the wind.

[FluffyCalico]

New model is should be a VIP and still pay extra

[Melyc'inya]

OP: Turbine might as well change all of their adds, as the game is no longer 100% free/unlockable.

What, did they take out the Turbine Points granted for favor earned while I wasn't watching? If you're willing to spend time instead of money, anything in this game can be obtained without paying real-life money. It'll probably take a pretty long time for a tiny guild of free players if they're all dead set on spending no cash, but they can do it. Any guilds that have VIPs (who are willing to help by buying big, shiny airships) can make it so that the airship is free to the rest of the guild. In that case, no, it's not technically "free" because someone is paying for it, but that person is paying for the game anyway, so it doesn't make much different. Similar case for guilds with premium players, if they so wish it. And in both those cases, if free players are willing to help out, they are perfectly capable of grinding favor for TP and helping out with the price, without spending a dime.

[Velexia]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

I could've sworn that they told us this is something they wouldn't do... but here it is... sigh.

Really Turbine? Really?

[zealous]

A. Generating a F2P account is fairly fast
B. Generating a pathed char is very fast
C. The introduction quest consumes time
DI. Getting 5 favor is very fast
(DII. Getting 25 favor is somewhat fast, is quite fast with multiple people dualboxing)
repeat B-D for all servers, buy AD
E. Getting to guild ship is fairly fast
Restart from A.

Can you use a greater bracelet of friends to void the need to run the introductory quest? If so the time consumption of C. is voided.

Nevertheless, creating accounts and running to 5/25 favor will result in a higher TP yield than repeatedly grinding to 100.


Thus each Astral Crystal must cost at a minimum 526 TP putting the price of the bolt at 105KTP/1000$/200 VIP months, the Tempest at ~175KTP/1750$/350 VIP months and the typhoon at slightly above 400KTP/4000$/800 VIP months.

[edit:]And ofc, the same "minimum" prices apply to the ship placeables too.

[Hendrik]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

The benefits for the store bought vs the in-game earned are so small, not worth the TP to go with the store option - IMO.

A Guild still has to earn the renown to unlock a huge ship. IF a Guild wants to put the cash burden on one guildmate to buy a ship, well, more power to them!

Let the drama llama out to feed! It will be some fun reading to be sure! Think drama is thick now with people doing what they want with loot with their name on it - can't wait for the drama when someone pays cash for a guild airship and does what he/she wants with their airship.

[mudfud]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

Who cares if someone uses mamas credit card as you say to buy a ship. How does that effect you?
Worry about what you want and yourself and not others.

[Missing_Minds]

Let the drama llama out to feed! It will be some fun reading to be sure! Think drama is thick now with people doing what they want with loot with their name on it - can't wait for the drama when someone pays cash for a guild airship and does what he/she wants with their airship.

No kidding...

Alll in all.. U5 really seems to be the drama lama mother load of updates so far.

nerfs to TWF/2HF combat, nerfs to make notation "easy", people breaking the system for their own gain, payment of $$$ for the best guild stuff, ranged combat booboos...

Kinda of blows any other change like enhancments, con damage, etc. out of the water.


But given it is guild stuff, not personal item stuff... I don't have an issue with Turbine wanting $$ for these things.