earned vs bought

[BurningDownTheHouse]

LOL, most of you do get it. I have to keep reposting that cuz apparently a few people don't get it.

Fun? Grindings never fun. I'm vip and I have to grind renown, and other things. I even do the 100 favor grind now and then for the bonus TP's. Ya I've spent my 500 free tp's per month foolishly in the past.

Fun is what you make of the game. If you find my post showing how a guild can EASILY farm the TP's required for these large ships in just 1 hour per day for a month or 2, then you will understand. If you guild is DEAD set on getting the astral diamonds for free for the best ships. It can be done with a little work.

Not everything in every game is fun. Dying usually isn't fun, although sometimes it can be. Raid wipes aren't fun. Trying abbot 8 times in a row because the ice wand people keep messing up isn't fun. But it's things people do cuz of a GOAL they have. They sacrifice a little fun sometimes, to accomplish a goal.

And if the none fun parts overwhelm the fun parts, the cow dries...

[BurningDownTheHouse]

Those exist... and? Why do they exist? Because casters got sick of rogues always dodging spells. This happened in PnP so of course it was going to carry over here.

My point was that content got balanced. It will be balanced again, and take into account the new options.
Whoever doesn't have access to said options will be at a disadvantage.

[Auran82]

I'm pretty sure guilds have/will have My DDO pages in Update 5, maybe the page will show what level they are and what buffs their airship gives

So that way you can be declined for a group based on what you happened to be wearing when you logged out last or your guild/airship.

[Deaeth]

VIP status count?

LOL, in this example, NO. It's not available via the ddo store......YET!

[dopey69]

what ever huge airship legion aquires from just being to uber, I will just lay down some cash and buy the slightly better model lol! sweet ! can't wait to see their faces when i roll up beside them in my pimpmobile

Allso shortly after the update i will be selling buffs on my ship to the ummm lets say lesser endowed people of stormreach. you too can have the same game breaking buffs legion has...for a small fee of coarse !
please turbine change my forum name to" buffpimp of thelanis" now . *runs off to buy pimp hat in store*

[BurningDownTheHouse]

what ever huge airship legion aquires from just being to uber, I will just lay down some cash and buy the slightly better model lol! sweet ! can't wait to see their faces when i roll up beside them in my pimpmobile

Allso shortly after the update i will be selling buffs on my ship to the ummm lets say lesser endowed people of stormreach. you too can have the same game breaking buffs legion has...for a small fee of coarse !
please turbine change my forum name to" buffpimp of thelanis" now . *runs off to buy pimp hat in store*

Please keep all E-peen envy + Legion hate in the Thelanis forums.

[Thrudh]

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card

And I don't think someone who lives with mama and doesn't have a job and can play 12 hours a day should have an advantage either...



That said, I think things like this should be equal... I agree with you that it should be possible to get the best ship with in-game currency (but leave the option for Turbine points for those of us with high-paying jobs, but less time)

[grodon9999]

And I don't think someone who lives with mama and doesn't have a job and can play 12 hours a day should have an advantage either...



That said, I think things like this should be equal... I agree with you that it should be possible to get the best ship with in-game currency (but leave the option for Turbine points for those of us with high-paying jobs, but less time)

Agreed

[Drakos]

What is your opinion on that if you want the very best ship that you can not earn the ship but must use a CC for turbine points?

I do not think someone should get able to grab mamas credit card and buy a ship that is better than anything you can unlock without paying actual cash.

At all 3 levels the estore ship is better than the earned ship.

First of all, you don't need a credit card to get items in the Turbin store. You get 25 TP's for every 100 Favor. That opens it to eventually getting the store only ships for free.

Secondly, since they are avaliable to everyone, money or no money, then I see no issue with Turbin allowing you to to pay for the item you want to avoid the grind to get it. After all they are a business and are in it to make money are they not?

Finally, I actually would support them selling most everything in the game from the DDO store. If you don't want to pay for it, grind for it, but if you have the disposable cash and would prefer not to grins X quest a bazillion times, why not. It certainly doesn't hurt those who are OK with the grind.

[Drakos]

Lol, man... serious? What planet do you come from?? Its free cuz they pay for it? No wonder the world economy is ... nevermind.. just nevermind.

OP: Turbine might as well change all of their adds, as the game is no longer 100% free/unlockable. Thats actually quite the rubicon to cross for them.. seems like direction at the DEVS table has been thrown to the wind.

This is flat out wrong! Everything sold in the DDO Store is avaliable to free players except the TP bundles. Since TP is freealy avaliably to ALL players through in-game awards then everything in the game is avaliable without spending a cent.

[Drakos]

So now we need to grind turbine points to be competitive?

No you can buy TP to remain Competative. The choice is yours grind or pay, pick your poison.

[Setin_Myways]

I do not see why someone would complain about this. You can earn tp in game (as has been stated ad nausium in this thread) so if you can get it via tp, it is still available to any f2p player.

I have done the favor grind and hitting the initial 100 favor on all servers is a few hours work... a few hours work... ok, minimum wage is 7.80 now? Spend 3 hours on a minimum wage job and you can buy way more tp than if you grind tp for the same amount of time. Do the math.... favor grinding really is counter productive... but it is an option.

Turbine is not breaking any promise or going back on their word. The offer a great product and you can play it for free. It is the best f2p game i have ever encountered.

Also, if you do not want to Grind, maybe you just need to try and join a guild that has an uber ship... then you have it all for free... Most guilds will accept you if you are not a total jag-off anyway.


Yeah, who is feeding the drama llama anyway?

[Boromirs]

Turbine has every right to charge anything for those ships, because they A.) Do NOT directly impact your character B.) Are communal and belong to a group. I believe you need to buy a guild charter to form a guild, well an airship is worth/has greater utility over a silly guild charter by x1000 so doesn't it make sense they charge Turbine Points for it?

Plus, its not like you don't have another option, you do...the devs probably purposefully made it so that you could buy a slightly less souped up version for straight up plat. And further on top of all that you can earn TP for free, so in the end the best ship is technically FREE.

I congratualte turbine for all the hard work for Airships. But now they should really get back to what affects our toons the most... namely,

1.) Fine tune this Update on combat.

2.) PLEASE For the love of all that is HOLY FIX FIX FIX S&B so it's ACTUALLY ENJOYABLE to PLAY.

[Vanshilar]

If I remember right, I think you need $25 to transfer a character to a different server. Or something like that, but basically, they don't accept TP for that.

Or maybe I'm not remembering right, this is how forum rumors start!

[Deaeth]

If I remember right, I think you need $25 to transfer a character to a different server. Or something like that, but basically, they don't accept TP for that.

Or maybe I'm not remembering right, this is how forum rumors start!

Little off topic? You don't have to xfer a character to play on a different server.

And if you want to, I totally agree with the cash price to xfer as EVERY mmo out there that allows this charges real cash to xfer.

[Krag]

Can someone educate me what is the difference between Store and in-game ships?

[Vanshilar]

Little off topic? You don't have to xfer a character to play on a different server.

And if you want to, I totally agree with the cash price to xfer as EVERY mmo out there that allows this charges real cash to xfer.

Well...that is one thing that you can only do with real cash. Of course, it again goes back to the earned vs bought thing, you can create a new character on a different server and start over from scratch, or buy your way to a new server to have your already decked out character transfer over from your old server.

[Deaeth]

Well...that is one thing that you can only do with real cash. Of course, it again goes back to the earned vs bought thing, you can create a new character on a different server and start over from scratch, or buy your way to a new server to have your already decked out character transfer over from your old server.

Yes but the OP of the thread was talking about Airships, not starting over on a new server, with or w/o your current character!

[Hendrik]

Can someone educate me what is the difference between Store and in-game ships?

Store ships have a few extra crew slots, amenities, and passenger capacity.

Very small 'advantage' for the cost.

But don't worry, the new bandwagon is to remove the focal point of this update, Airships.

[FluffyCalico]

I agree with you that it should be possible to get the best ship with in-game currency (but leave the option for Turbine points for those of us with high-paying jobs, but less time)

I have no issue with this equal you speak of.