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    Default Any info on guild disband and renown?

    There was a thread i was reading this morning that i cannot find that was talking about the potential drama that could be had should a guild get disbanned ...

    some good points where brought up but i cant seem to find it now


    some of the points where what happens to the renown if a guild leader disbands there guild in a rage quit ....

    will renown be attached to players ... so if guild leader rage quits and you have to restart the guild you dont have to start from lvl 1 again.

    if you leave a guild will your renown leave with you .... or will your hard work be for nothing ?

    i was hoping to hear replies on some of these topics but i apperantly i didnt sub to the thread like i intended to...

    if any of these questions have been answered please point me to the thread or repeat them here ...

    happy renown hunting.
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    yeah that was one of the drama issues we where discussing

    gonna see alot of people in up roar when leader turns into an jerk and deletes the guild after sacking the guild bank and takes your lvl 80 starship and blows it up cause he doesnt like a couple people or wants to leave the game...

    I think if the renown is attached to the guild then they should eliminate the option to disband the guild ....

    and instead make an option to rename the guild

    and also change ranking system ...

    needs to have 5 tiers

    leader

    first mate (lead successor)

    successors (as in multiple)

    officers

    and CREW (not memebers)

    and it should be renown based ... as well

    so if leader doesnt play for a month the successors can put leadership to a vote ...

    officers can vote but crew cannot ...

    successors are chosen by leader

    officers are the top 10 renown gatherers for the guild ....

    this way ... if leader leaves the game the first mate would be temporary leader and officers and higher would vote on new leader ....

    first mate would stay first mate unless chosen to lead at which time he would chose a new mate

    then in order to disband the guild

    a message would go down the ranks "vote for disband"

    with choices

    yes

    and

    take the reins as new guild leader.

    that way people who want to leave can leave and rest can stay and vote on new leader and what not ...

    this will save alot of guild drama and stop alot of people from leaving the game after there leader does something drastic like disband the guild and have people loose all there guild storage gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drfirewater79 View Post
    yeah that was one of the drama issues we where discussing

    gonna see alot of people in up roar when leader turns into an jerk and deletes the guild after sacking the guild bank and takes your lvl 80 starship and blows it up cause he doesnt like a couple people or wants to leave the game...

    I think if the renown is attached to the guild then they should eliminate the option to disband the guild ....

    and instead make an option to rename the guild

    and also change ranking system ...

    needs to have 5 tiers

    leader

    first mate (lead successor)

    successors (as in multiple)

    officers

    and CREW (not memebers)

    and it should be renown based ... as well

    so if leader doesnt play for a month the successors can put leadership to a vote ...

    officers can vote but crew cannot ...

    successors are chosen by leader

    officers are the top 10 renown gatherers for the guild ....

    this way ... if leader leaves the game the first mate would be temporary leader and officers and higher would vote on new leader ....

    first mate would stay first mate unless chosen to lead at which time he would chose a new mate

    then in order to disband the guild

    a message would go down the ranks "vote for disband"

    with choices

    yes

    and

    take the reins as new guild leader.

    that way people who want to leave can leave and rest can stay and vote on new leader and what not ...

    this will save alot of guild drama and stop alot of people from leaving the game after there leader does something drastic like disband the guild and have people loose all there guild storage gear.
    As a Guild Leader I have issues with a LOT of your suggestions here.

    First off, having officers chosen by amount of renown farmed is a horrible idea (imo). Some people, like me, have no life, and therefor can farm untolds amount of renown. That does NOT make them officer material for a successful guild.

    What makes someone "officer material" is their willingness and ability to help other guildies, solve problems, assist the leader with various tasks. They have to be able to be TRUSTED!

    Now, in some guilds yes it doesn't matter who's what rank and so on. But in actual "organized" guilds, who is in a position of authority DOES matter and in NO way should be determined by their ability to "farm".

    I sometimes ask a lot of my officers, and sometimes it includes them having more downtime than normal members. Talking over things with the officers on decisions about the guild, having them on the guild forums = out of game time. That imo, makes them great officers. NOT that they can sit on the game for 16 hours a day and farm a crapload of renown.

    I do however, agree they need to bring in more guild ranks. I do like your ideas for the rank names, However, I wish the names would be customizable. Not every guild is going to want their ranks via "shipboard" terms.

    The guild disband option. Sorry but that's a risk you take in the guild you are in. I think it should stay as is. If not the guild leader can just remove everyone from the guild and disband it that way. Cuz you cannot get rid of the remove member button. I for one do NOT want to get stuck with the bad apples that do make it into the guild. So you just have to trust your guild leader to not do that. Find a guild whose leader has morals, and values. If I ever decide to leave DDO, I will be talking with my officers, to see who wants the guild. I will not in any way punish the rest of my guildies because I decided to call it quits. That's just stupid. If you are worried about your guild leader potentially doing this, then you are in the wrong guild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixenuup View Post
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    Now, in some guilds yes it doesn't matter who's what rank and so on. But in actual "organized" guilds, who is in a position of authority DOES matter and in NO way should be determined by their ability to "farm".
    ...
    I think it should stay as is. If not the guild leader can just remove everyone from the guild and disband it that way. Cuz you cannot get rid of the remove member button.
    ...
    If you are worried about your guild leader potentially doing this, then you are in the wrong guild.
    I have to agree, if there is so much dis-trust and drama in the guild, then it is the wrong place to stay anyway, and if a Guild Leader is a bad-ass he can just downgrade every officer to member or just kick them right away. If you work in a company and that company decide to live without you, you will not suddenly take over that company, regardless how hard you worked for that company!

    Also to mention is that renown will DROP if you not contribute to it over the level of 25! So if the big 'farmers' of a guild will leave and no one is contributing anymore enough, the renown will vanish anyway, but the farmers will be able to fill up a new Guild in no time at all! Look at the DDO daily guild. It took the a weekend to get to level 20 and have an airship. A weekend, com-on, that is really no time and if you leave a level 50+ Guild and you have been the main contributer they will probably not stay on that level anyway.

    PS: The thread you search is here
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    Quote Originally Posted by SisAmethyst View Post
    I have to agree, if there is so much dis-trust and drama in the guild, then it is the wrong place to stay anyway, and if a Guild Leader is a bad-ass he can just downgrade every officer to member or just kick them right away. If you work in a company and that company decide to live without you, you will not suddenly take over that company, regardless how hard you worked for that company!

    Also to mention is that renown will DROP if you not contribute to it over the level of 25! So if the big 'farmers' of a guild will leave and no one is contributing anymore enough, the renown will vanish anyway, but the farmers will be able to fill up a new Guild in no time at all! Look at the DDO daily guild. It took the a weekend to get to level 20 and have an airship. A weekend, com-on, that is really no time and if you leave a level 50+ Guild and you have been the main contributer they will probably not stay on that level anyway.

    PS: The thread you search is here

    yeah i found it thanks ...

    but look at it like this ...

    lets say i am a jerk leader ...

    i start a guild ...

    since i dont really want to have a guild .... and rather not have anyone in my guild but i invite 20 hardcore players because i know they can build renown fast ...

    then when i get my ship i convince them we need this and that and they spend millioins of in game plat ....

    then when i get my boat and my navigatior and so on and so forth up to lvl 25 then i drop everyone send them on there way and i cannot lose renown past lvl 25 so i am ahead and have all there gear in my ship

    now lets say your one of the people i screwed over ....

    you like the game hate me ... so you go on forums bad talk me ... i report you you get banned from forums

    you go on game and join another guild ... two months later guild leader is a jerk worse then me leaves the game and disbands the guild ... now you have spent millions of renown and millions in plat ...

    chances are your never coming back again ...

    sounds impossible ...

    I was on adar ... in a guild called vanguard at launch we had 40 players all good players .... guild leader disappeared (before successor time) and no officers so we ended up breaking into three guilds (imagine how screwed everyone is when three groups now have to start from stage 1 in new game) .... i then created legends of vanguard guild took as many of the old people as i could find online still after the break and that didnt jump off to one of the other two guilds .... we had 15 strong then two of our good healers moved over to questors of immortality who had more then 30 active accounts when we merged with them but half of us left the game or joinned other groups ... (this was all in the first year btw)
    then leader ****ed off a great number of players some left the game forever and never came back to this day .... broke into two guilds and some of us left to join Coalition of Might which had over 40 active accounts .... after about 6 months there we had a guild squable that caused the guild to break in half half going one way and half the other ..... I stayed but then less then 6 months later we broke again due to guild politics into Sons of Might basically a side guild still connected but smaller ..... that group had an leader who left the game and in a fit disbanned the guild ...

    now that is end of year two .....

    if i didnt love the game i would have left then but i am a glutton for punishment

    I went guildless for three months then went guild shoping went to a slow play guild so memerable i forget there name and have now been in dragons for over a year ...

    so in 3 years how many times would i have lost platinum and renown i grinded for?

    6 guilds in 3 years ....

    if they all had a lvl 25 ship that i chipped in plat on and work hard to grind the renown for ...

    would you stick around for long?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fixenuup View Post
    As a Guild Leader I have issues with a LOT of your suggestions here.

    First off, having officers chosen by amount of renown farmed is a horrible idea (imo). Some people, like me, have no life, and therefor can farm untolds amount of renown. That does NOT make them officer material for a successful guild.

    What makes someone "officer material" is their willingness and ability to help other guildies, solve problems, assist the leader with various tasks. They have to be able to be TRUSTED!

    Now, in some guilds yes it doesn't matter who's what rank and so on. But in actual "organized" guilds, who is in a position of authority DOES matter and in NO way should be determined by their ability to "farm".

    I sometimes ask a lot of my officers, and sometimes it includes them having more downtime than normal members. Talking over things with the officers on decisions about the guild, having them on the guild forums = out of game time. That imo, makes them great officers. NOT that they can sit on the game for 16 hours a day and farm a crapload of renown.

    I do however, agree they need to bring in more guild ranks. I do like your ideas for the rank names, However, I wish the names would be customizable. Not every guild is going to want their ranks via "shipboard" terms.

    The guild disband option. Sorry but that's a risk you take in the guild you are in. I think it should stay as is. If not the guild leader can just remove everyone from the guild and disband it that way. Cuz you cannot get rid of the remove member button. I for one do NOT want to get stuck with the bad apples that do make it into the guild. So you just have to trust your guild leader to not do that. Find a guild whose leader has morals, and values. If I ever decide to leave DDO, I will be talking with my officers, to see who wants the guild. I will not in any way punish the rest of my guildies because I decided to call it quits. That's just stupid. If you are worried about your guild leader potentially doing this, then you are in the wrong guild.



    your missing the whole point ...

    if you noticed there where lots of different possitions ... current officers would be successors picked and chosen by guild leaders officers would be current members and crew would be lower then members basically if you compared to current system.

    you didnt read what i said at all you saw what you didnt understand and jumpped to conclusions

    leader = starter of guild leader of guild blah blah blah

    first mate = todays successor (or what ever you want to call it i am using ship terms cause that is what we get as our guild housing)

    successors = todays officers ... leader/first mate picked ... these people can invite to guild

    officers = top 10 renown earning members allowed to vote on guild issues but not able to invite new people to guild and limited access to guild base customization

    crew = everyone else ..... standard members

    only thing different about my system and the one we have in place is a dead beat leader cannot disband and screw everyone over

    changed the names and added a section for people who actually play the game alot and would GENERALLY be officer matterial ... if you have no life and play the game all day chances are you know more about the game then the ashats who are officers in your current guild ...

    persoanlly i am not an officer in my guild cause i dont want to be part of the drama ...

    but the difference is its not like people who are officers are ... better players ... more orginized .... better leaders ... or anything like that .... so the tier of rank based on renown building allows for inter guild competition and shows the leader who is doing what for his guild ....

    if you think your officers are the best players in you guild your prolly not a very good leader ... officer title means nothing at all in todays game ..

    if your guild spends more time on the forums and less time in game i would love to know your guild name so i never invite them into my pugs .... you become a better player by playing the game not talking about it.... i do 90% of my forum talking from work or when i am sick of the game .... not when i could be in game running raids or helping guildies level.

    helping guildies get there items and level is more important then officers of a guild staying on top of rumors and bS flung on the forums .

    and just cause you arent a big enough ass to dump your guild doesnt mean others arent ...

    i have been in many guilds that the leader was a great guy till he got screwed some how by turbine and disbanned the guild out of rage ...

    if i grind out 1.5 millioin in renown and spend 5 million in plat just to have some ashat disband the guild ... that guy better hope i dont know where he lives ...


    and rather then put that kind of anger and stress and then have it blasted all over the forums Turbine needs to step in and make sure the jerks dont start more hate .... and if they want to keep people in the game they are gonna need to put in a fale safe for people or your gonna see the jerk leader screw a bunch of people and they are gonna leave the game for good and never look back


    I have seen it happen already and with no guild housing ... its just gonna be more dramatic and more frequent when you have more to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drfirewater79 View Post
    your missing the whole point ...

    if you noticed there where lots of different possitions ... current officers would be successors picked and chosen by guild leaders officers would be current members and crew would be lower then members basically if you compared to current system.

    you didnt read what i said at all you saw what you didnt understand and jumpped to conclusions

    leader = starter of guild leader of guild blah blah blah

    first mate = todays successor (or what ever you want to call it i am using ship terms cause that is what we get as our guild housing)

    successors = todays officers ... leader/first mate picked ... these people can invite to guild

    officers = top 10 renown earning members allowed to vote on guild issues but not able to invite new people to guild and limited access to guild base customization

    crew = everyone else ..... standard members

    only thing different about my system and the one we have in place is a dead beat leader cannot disband and screw everyone over

    changed the names and added a section for people who actually play the game alot and would GENERALLY be officer matterial ... if you have no life and play the game all day chances are you know more about the game then the ashats who are officers in your current guild ...

    persoanlly i am not an officer in my guild cause i dont want to be part of the drama ...

    but the difference is its not like people who are officers are ... better players ... more orginized .... better leaders ... or anything like that .... so the tier of rank based on renown building allows for inter guild competition and shows the leader who is doing what for his guild ....

    if you think your officers are the best players in you guild your prolly not a very good leader ... officer title means nothing at all in todays game ..

    if your guild spends more time on the forums and less time in game i would love to know your guild name so i never invite them into my pugs .... you become a better player by playing the game not talking about it.... i do 90% of my forum talking from work or when i am sick of the game .... not when i could be in game running raids or helping guildies level.

    helping guildies get there items and level is more important then officers of a guild staying on top of rumors and bS flung on the forums .

    and just cause you arent a big enough ass to dump your guild doesnt mean others arent ...

    i have been in many guilds that the leader was a great guy till he got screwed some how by turbine and disbanned the guild out of rage ...

    if i grind out 1.5 millioin in renown and spend 5 million in plat just to have some ashat disband the guild ... that guy better hope i dont know where he lives ...


    and rather then put that kind of anger and stress and then have it blasted all over the forums Turbine needs to step in and make sure the jerks dont start more hate .... and if they want to keep people in the game they are gonna need to put in a fale safe for people or your gonna see the jerk leader screw a bunch of people and they are gonna leave the game for good and never look back


    I have seen it happen already and with no guild housing ... its just gonna be more dramatic and more frequent when you have more to lose.
    Actually, how would you remove "bad apples" from your guild? If you say boot them from guild, how are you going to stop a guild leader from booting everyone else from the guild, including your successor/officers, crew and such?

    There HAS to be a way for Officers/Leader to remove people from the guild who aren't wanted/needed/desired by the guild. There is no way to implement your system fairly and still allow this to happen.

    Also no way to prevent the "wrong type" of person to be an officer, with your system. What if someone who plays all day is an ass? Oh all of a sudden they get a say in how the guilds run? Although noone in the guild may respect, or even play with this person? I think not. I'll keep my current system, it's working fine and afaik our guilds all happy and enjoys being guilded with us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drfirewater79 View Post
    I think if the renown is attached to the guild then they should eliminate the option to disband the guild ....
    A guild someone pays for gets disbanded, it creates a power vacuum, a new guild leader pays for a guild, its good for Turbine. Not gonna happen.

    and also change ranking system ...

    needs to have 5 tiers

    leader --Which you suggested be voted to stay leader if AFK for too long... how long?
    Convince turbine to make guilds free, and I could see this as fair. Not gonna happen.
    and it should be renown based ... as well
    taking the organization reigns from the person that paid to start the guild should never happen unless Turbine makes guilds free.
    so if leader doesnt play for a month the successors can put leadership to a vote ...
    They can still do this, its called paying turbine to make their own guild and changing the MOTD.
    Think all the other points are a combination of comments in red.
    Basically its not free is my point, otherwise its a reasonably fair system with a large possibility of completely disrupting a guild if the leader is gone too long and the successors are replaced by a new evil order
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    Quote Originally Posted by REALb0r3d View Post
    Think all the other points are a combination of comments in red.
    Basically its not free is my point, otherwise its a reasonably fair system with a large possibility of completely disrupting a guild if the leader is gone too long and the successors are replaced by a new evil order
    what are you talking about

    we dont pay extra to make a guild ???

    i dont understand your comments in red ... is this a free to play issue?

    its all free ... there is no cost to start a guild so i have no clue how to answer you....

    i pay a monthly fee ... so dont understand any pay to be leader of a guild silliness ... .and if that is the case then turbine needs to make forming a guild a free thing anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drfirewater79 View Post
    we dont pay extra to make a guild ???
    Actually, premium and free players have to buy a guild charter. It's 150 TP to get one.

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    Default Just remove the disband option

    Why over complicate this, if a guild leader wants to take his guild and run let them. Remove the disband option so the remaining members can't be hosed for all their work, however as a leader quits the guild (as opposed to a resignation) just have an option to rename the guild under the new leaders name.

    Obviously if a leader is leaving on good terms (happens a lot) allow them to pass the baton without rename or changes to the existing guild....
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    I have a simple solution. as a former guild leader who took a break and came back. I was an officer and still am. To get what you want make your own guild, and stop whimpering. Though you may have issues there do you know you roles enough. can you handle the star. I hate the star personally, I do my thing, and let others do theirs.
    Also if you want to resort to name calling your not leadership quality or even officer material. I would boot you from my guild if I ever found you in it, but we dont recruit so I wont worry even if you managed to get on my server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodic View Post
    I have a simple solution. as a former guild leader who took a break and came back. I was an officer and still am. To get what you want make your own guild, and stop whimpering. Though you may have issues there do you know you roles enough. can you handle the star. I hate the star personally, I do my thing, and let others do theirs.
    Also if you want to resort to name calling your not leadership quality or even officer material. I would boot you from my guild if I ever found you in it, but we dont recruit so I wont worry even if you managed to get on my server.
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    First off ... you have no clue who i am or what i am capable of if someone has partied with me ... been in a raid i ran ... followed my advice on a character build .... and still didnt thnk i was officer matterial .. .then i wouldnt want to be in there guild anyway ...

    i am one of the most experienced PLAYERS i know .... not being egotistical ... still lots of room for improvement ... and not everyone agrees with my min maxing or my build or mission strats ... and that is there choice to make ...

    but i have been playing since i could get a copy of the game ... for the first 3 years i worked for myself and never had to put in more then 1 hr a day to make my paycheck ... had no real life outside of work so i played this game endlessly ... i have seen more people come and go from this game and have been leader of big guilds and officer in even bigger guilds ....... I lead a 30 man strong elite guild (all top players no goofing all zerging never wipe cept in early dragon and titan before strats where figured out) was members of some of the largest guilds on adar .. and definately two of the most competitive (questors and Coalition in late year one early year 2 where big competitors for beating raids ... think we where third to beat DQ raid on adar in questors maybe second believe light horse beat it before us but really this isnt a history lesson)

    was an officer in both ..

    there isnt a mission in the game i cannot lead ... some i dont like to lead like new invasion and sins .... but nothing i cannot lead ....

    so to say you would never have me and that i am not officer material ... jokes on you bud...

    After my last big guild i decided i didnt want to be an officer of a guild cause i dont want to be part of the drama ... and even though i am in a great guild with alot of great players I still pug 80% of the time ... just cause i find it more challenging to play with people who have no clue and still beat the missions .... while many others cry about bad f2p players i simply carry them through the missions.

    now that you know a bit more about my history in the game .... i am sure you still no nothing of my ability.

    the star isnt the problem ... the problem is the dictatorship and expenses that cost the members and officers in the chance that they end up with issues that cause a leader to disband a guild after spending millions in plat ........and now even TP

    what happens when someone pays for 800 AD in TP (prolly gonna net about 20$ us)

    then what?

    if you spend 20$ cash and next day find your kicked from guild ... are you gonna be happy about it?

    if so please join our guild ... i would be happy to take your money and send you on your way.

    honestly if anyone cannot see how there could be major flame issues that spill onto forums with people calling people out and general hate filling the servers over these kinds of issues then maybe its time to take the freaking blinders off....
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