Zeal implementation bug?

[SisAmethyst]

I tested Zeal on my THF Paladin. In the description it now says it will grant a 10% bonus to the players chance to double-strike instead of the speed bonus. However I get the strange feeling that as soon as I activate Zeal the chance to double strik actualy DROPS! Running in the Sands of Menechtarun I get without Zeal quite regularly double strikes, however with Zeal they nearly seem to vanish. Maybe instead of a Bonus it is actually wrongly implemented to set it to 10%?

Did someone else experienced this? If so I will file a bug report.

PS: Paladin Exalted Smite actualy seem to not work smooth with the double strike at all.

[Strik3r]

I tested Zeal on my THF Paladin. In the description it now says it will grant a 10% bonus to the players chance to double-strike instead of the speed bonus. However I get the strange feeling that as soon as I activate Zeal the chance to double strik actualy DROPS! Running in the Sands of Menechtarun I get without Zeal quite regularly double strikes, however with Zeal they nearly seem to vanish. Maybe instead of a Bonus it is actually wrongly implemented to set it to 10%?
Did someone else experienced this? If so I will file a bug report.

tell me if im wrong (and mind my ignorance)..but isnt chance to DS 0% and zeal increases the chance by 10% ??..on a pally build that is.

[SisAmethyst]

tell me if im wrong (and mind my ignorance)..but isnt chance to DS 0% and zeal increases the chance by 10% ??..on a pally build that is.

I can not tell you what it is, but looks like a second attack is rolled in the same swing.
I swing, I hear the 'tap-tap' sound see 2 numbers floating over the enemy. If I activate Zeal I only see 1 number (beside the ones of the effects like holy burst).

[Strik3r]

see 2 numbers floating over the enemy. .

2 numbers over mob... then i think dats the normal slash dmg and holy dmg..or u meant 2 lines of dmg over mob?

[SisAmethyst]

2 numbers over mob... then i think dats the normal slash dmg and holy dmg..or u meant 2 lines of dmg over mob?

It is two lines of damage (with three numbers, slash+con damage+holy), that is why I thought it may be the double strike. Maybe it is already the number of the following attack sequence but in that case the attack sequence is totaly out of sync with the anymation and I afaik loose then an attack sequence in Zeal mode.

[oberon131313]

It would not suprise me. Apparently wind stance for monks is bugged in that switching out of windstance gives 100% double strike chance. I also get the feeling that umd is being affected, but I'm not sure on that yet.

[SisAmethyst]

It would not suprise me. Apparently wind stance for monks is bugged in that switching out of windstance gives 100% double strike chance. I also get the feeling that umd is being affected, but I'm not sure on that yet.

lol, you mean if I not use Zeal as a THF with all the THF feats I get 80% double strike chance and with Zeal it give me 10%? If this make it live I actualy will drop the Zeal spell

[Therilith]

lol, you mean if I not use Zeal as a THF with all the THF feats I get 80% double strike chance and with Zeal it give me 10%? If this make it live I actualy will drop the Zeal spell

The THF feat line has nothing to do with double strike AFAIK.

[SisAmethyst]

The THF feat line has nothing to do with double strike AFAIK.

hehe, yeah, the reason why I mention the THF feat is, that as far as I understood the TWF feats are linked to the DS and as I am unsure if the Devs actualy accidently linked the THF feat chain to the DS too.

[oberon131313]

I was agreeing that it was probably bugged. There is a new patch Monday, fromwhat I read, so we'll see if that fixes it.

[Therilith]

hehe, yeah, the reason why I mention the THF feat is, that as far as I understood the TWF feats are linked to the DS and as I am unsure if the Devs actualy accidently linked the THF feat chain to the DS too.

The TWF feat line has nothing to do with double strike AFAIK.

[SisAmethyst]

The TWF feat line has nothing to do with double strike AFAIK.

Your comments sound very repeating

As it was somewhat non constructive I took a look on my own in the thread Combat Feedback for Update 5.

I may have indeed mismatched the columns to read that TWF give 20% and ITWF +20% which is indeed for the Bonus.

So just for the records here the complete list

Doublestrike Bonus Main hand Off hand
No feats 0 20% 100% 20%
TWF 0 +20% 100% 40%
ITWF 0 +20% 100% 60%
GTWF 0 +20% 100% 80%
Tempest I 0 +10% 100% 90%
Tempest II 0 +10% 100% 100%
Tempest III +5%* 0 105% 100%
Wind IV +10% 0 110% 80%
Zeal +10% 0 110% 80%
Alacrity +10% 0 110% 80%

Anyway, I did some further testing and it seams Zeal is indead the trigger. After Zeal is running out it 'reset' me to about 80% DS ... darn, and I already started to get used to it

[Strik3r]

ah kk so its a bug..well hope they fix it..its nice for a 80% DS but still its a bug...hate to get used to it and then the devs deciding to fix it...dont want another 150+ pages on about DS getting nerfed lol...

on a kinda unrelated topic....does DS proc all effects..mainly smite?

[SisAmethyst]

ah kk so its a bug..well hope they fix it..its nice for a 80% DS but still its a bug...hate to get used to it and then the devs deciding to fix it...dont want another 150+ pages on about DS getting nerfed lol...

on a kinda unrelated topic....does DS proc all effects..mainly smite?

Yes, definitly a bug.

Well, due to the 'bug' getting about 80% DS I tested this indeed together with Smites, but Smites seem to be unaffected by that but completly replace the attack by a Smite.

[k1ngp1n]

The two hits are you mainhand and your offhand proc, not a doublestrike. A doublestrike will appear as either 2, 3 or 4 strikes, depending on the offhand procs. Zeal is working correctly.

[kernal42]

After your smite, do you still experience 80% doublestrike? If so, there may be a second bug in the mix:

I'm under the impression that doublestrike should proc special attacks, including smite. So if you smite and happen to doublestrike, the doublestrike is also a smite. If instead smite is never getting doublestrikes, that's a bug.

If smiting just resets your doublestrike to 0% (as it should be without zeal), that's weird but potentially fine. Do you get 10% doublestrike smite procs with zeal on?

-Kernal

[SisAmethyst]

The two hits are you mainhand and your offhand proc, not a doublestrike. A doublestrike will appear as either 2, 3 or 4 strikes, depending on the offhand procs. Zeal is working correctly.

Maybe I am wrong, but I am a THF so there is no off-hand Proc. If there is a off-hand Proc even for the THF Fighters then it would be still bugged because then I actualy loose that off-hand proc while using Zeal.

Anyway, Bug report created.

[SisAmethyst]

After your smite, do you still experience 80% doublestrike? If so, there may be a second bug in the mix:

I'm under the impression that doublestrike should proc special attacks, including smite. So if you smite and happen to doublestrike, the doublestrike is also a smite. If instead smite is never getting doublestrikes, that's a bug.

If smiting just resets your doublestrike to 0% (as it should be without zeal), that's weird but potentially fine. Do you get 10% doublestrike smite procs with zeal on?

-Kernal

No Smite seem to not DS at all or I was actualy always unlucky in my smites.

The Smites however not change the effect of being in 80% DS mode.

In other words I can do:

- Zeal run off
- Attack and hit -> dmg
- DS -> dmg
- Attack and hit -> dmg
- DS -> dmg
- Smite
- Attack and hit -> dmg
- DS -> dmg
- Attack and hit -> dmg
- DS -> dmg

Also the DS values seems only to vary in +/-5 difference to the previous Attack

[Stamp3de]

Just tested this out. Looks like with THF and no zeal active, I double strike 100% lol. With zeal active it drops to 10%.
*Sighs at devs*

[SisAmethyst]

Just tested this out. Looks like with THF and no zeal active, I double strike 100% lol. With zeal active it goes to 10%.

Yes, but It seems to not fully be 100%, I still have some misses (well not attack misses but offs).
The thing is that I am used to activate Zeal as soon as I enter a zone. If I not cast Zeal at all I have no DS.

Mmhhh, not looked on Dive Sacrifice, but can you as well check out Smites? Seems Smites are not affected by DS.

Hehe, I always knew'd that Paladins Rock but I never thought that they would ever be the THF DPS Kings