3/4 BAB Classes

[Chai]

Looks like the STWF feat pre-reqs are 15 BAB and 19 dex. In order to take this as a rogue, I would need to be able to take a feat at level 20, which means sticking a level of fighter or monk on as my last level. This will mean not having maximum ranks in skills, and it will also mean not being able to take a capstone.

Is there any other way to implement STWF to make it so that 3/4 BAB classes can take this and still be pure?

[geoffhanna]

There won't be STWF. Eladrin has stated it won't go live.

[DToNE]

Unfortunately not monk. Monk happens to be a 3/4 class as well, so it -MUST- be fighter.

Sorry, we just get the bad end of the stick with this update :/

[Chai]

So the TWF style is going to be stuck at an 80% offhand proc rate, or are they adjusting that as well?

[geoffhanna]

The thread is hundreds of pages long and I don't have it memorized, but IIRC, the only way to get 100% offhand proc is Tempest III.

[Visty]

The thread is hundreds of pages long and I don't have it memorized, but IIRC, the only way to get 100% offhand proc is Tempest III.

this

every one else has just 80% offhand proc, more if they have doublestrike

[Chai]

Where was it said that STWF is not going live, or is that in the 175+ page thread as well?

[Visty]

Where was it said that STWF is not going live, or is that in the 175+ page thread as well?

eladrin, tolero or tarrant (dont remember which one) said it in one of those other threads complaining about it

[Tapsimanxer]

yea, its in that monster thread.

Still catching up through the thread, but a few comments:

1) I've been convinced that STWF is not a benefit to the game. Instead of opening up new options, its presence instead would close many.
2) The Barbarian Capstone's alacrity bonus is a bug.

my twf paly is stuck with 80% offhand attacks

[RS-Makk]

Isn't it 100 percent at tempest 2 and tempest 3 gets you the 5 percent Double strike?

[Visty]

yea, its in that monster thread. http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...postcount=2683

my twf paly is stuck with 80% offhand attacks

88% actually

offhand attacks proc on doublestrike attacks too

[Towrn]

this

every one else has just 80% offhand proc, more if they have doublestrike

Slightly incorrect. A Tempest 1 will have 90% to offhand attacks.

[Tapsimanxer]

88% actually

offhand attacks proc on doublestrike attacks too

even just 8% increase is good news to me! but i dont understand. doublestrike procs on the main hand only right? what do you mean offhands proc on doublestrike?

[Chai]

Sounds like if the main hand procs a double strike that second main hand attack also has a chance to proc an offhand attack.

[Therilith]

offhand attacks proc on doublestrike attacks too

So you can get
Main hand (MH)
Double strike (MH)
Offhand proc (OH)
Offhand proc from double strike (OH)
in a single "click"?

Would special attacks (trip, ToD) apply to all four?

[Stanley_Nicholas]

So you can get
Main hand (MH)
Double strike (MH)
Offhand proc (OH)
Offhand proc from double strike (OH)
in a single "click"?

Would special attacks (trip, ToD) apply to all four?

The main hand double strike hit would not have an additional chance to proc an off hand hit. Only the regular main hand hit would. So the most is 3 hits from one "click". Yes, special attacks would apply to all 3.

[Ethias]

So wait, offhand can proc from doublestrike, but doublestrike can not proc from offhand, right?

[Stanley_Nicholas]

So wait, offhand can proc from doublestrike, but doublestrike can not proc from offhand, right?

Regular main hand attacks can proc both doublestrike and off hand attacks.

Doublestrike attacks proc no additional attacks.

Off hand attacks proc no additional attacks.

The largest number of hits you can get from a single main hand attack is 3.

[LordPiglet]

The thread is hundreds of pages long and I don't have it memorized, but IIRC, the only way to get 100% offhand proc is Tempest III.

Tempest II actually

[Visty]

The main hand double strike hit would not have an additional chance to proc an off hand hit. Only the regular main hand hit would. So the most is 3 hits from one "click". Yes, special attacks would apply to all 3.

wrong

doublestrike do proc offhands

so you can have 2 mainhand attacks and 2 offhand attacks in one swing

So you can get
Main hand (MH)
Double strike (MH)
Offhand proc (OH)
Offhand proc from double strike (OH)
in a single "click"?

Would special attacks (trip, ToD) apply to all four?

thats correct
if specials porc on offhands (think trip and tod do) then you can have 4 with 1 swing, yes