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    Community Member Boromirs's Avatar
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    Default Math Problem: Ranger Tempest vs Pure Fighter

    It looks like if the numbers hold true and/or STWF doesn't go live fighters are looking at 110% 88% for their final attack rate. Ranger Tempests stand at 105 105% (pretty nice deal). Who lost more attacks? The ranger tempest or Fighter from pre/post nerf.

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    Double Strike only applies to a main hand attacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreknaQudane View Post
    Double Strike only applies to a main hand attacks
    and doublestrike attacks trigger offhand attacks
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    Quote Originally Posted by TreknaQudane View Post
    Double Strike only applies to a main hand attacks
    Have you tested this on Lam? The release notes are unclear on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PopeJual View Post
    Have you tested this on Lam? The release notes are unclear on the issue.
    I have tested it and it appears that the second attack in the double strike does not proc offhand attacks. It also appears that the double strike only happens on the first attack in the chain if at all, and always a mainhand attack.

    Even when added up over a decent period of time it averages out to the regular offhand proc %
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chai View Post
    I have tested it and it appears that the second attack in the double strike does not proc offhand attacks. It also appears that the double strike only happens on the first attack in the chain if at all, and always a mainhand attack.

    Even when added up over a decent period of time it averages out to the regular offhand proc %
    No it shouldn't if the double strike doesn't proc the offhand then there will be an output loss of 8% for pure fighters and 10% for rangers in terms of damage. Just keeps looking worse and worse everyday.

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    I'm wondering how this will effect my Zeal Tempest (14Pali/6Ranger). I'm thinking 20% chance at double strike should be pretty darn nice, even more so when throwing an Exalted Smite or Divine Sacrifice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boromirs View Post
    Who lost more attacks? The ranger tempest or Fighter from pre/post nerf.
    At a base 105/105 per minute while hasted

    Pallys and Fighters (zeal and capstone)

    Main: 115
    Off: 84
    199 attacks/minute

    Tempest IIIs

    Main: 110
    Off: 105
    215 attacks/minute

    Using this as a reference: http://www.heartofiowa.net/~jeff_git...tackrates.html
    On live we have:

    Tempest IIIs

    Main: 114
    Off: 142 (I've seen 137 reported as well)
    256 attacks/minute (Looses 41 attacks/minute)

    Pallys and Fighters (zeal and capstone)

    Main: 114
    Off: 114
    228 attacks/minute (Looses 29 attacks/minute)

    Rangers lost more attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grodon9999 View Post
    Rangers lost more attacks.
    Good. They and Wind 4 Monks were the main causes of serverwide lag.

    That and the Ranger6/Attack Speed Monster builds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xeraphim View Post
    Good. They and Wind 4 Monks were the main causes of serverwide lag.

    That and the Ranger6/Attack Speed Monster builds.
    ummmm..... kinda strange when monks are not welcommed to parties... how could they make lag

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